Thanks Spydertrader, Interesting stuff, I have looked at the FTT stuff before, to be honest the chart and how to see them looks like a journey of about 2 years worth of work and it's pretty hard to go that route when one doesn't even know what the final verdict will be or if it will even help ones trading. I should have also said that simple, easy to spot price patterns is also something I am looking for in this thread. Thanks for the input though Spydertader, perhaps some others will benefit greatly