Favorite ETF/ETNs/CEFs for yield

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by SoyUnGanador, Feb 13, 2023.


  1. Since 3/17/2015, when it started trading, holding it would have gotten you a negative 1.39% IRR, with a max drawdown of 47.37%. Not good, although we really need to find some way to normalize these results taking into (presumably) the strengthening dollar versus other currencies over that time, to see what the results would have been net of that. You point is well taken that would was a huge headwind in the past on average might be a significant tailwind going forward on average. And somebody wanting that foreign currency exposure may well want to hold these if their performance putting the poor performing foreign currencies aside has been good.
     
    #11     Feb 19, 2023
  2. %%
    I agree;
    partly.
    But early this year good trade/better than SPY
    Si senior[yes mr]:D:D
     
    #12     Feb 21, 2023
  3. USDJPY

    USDJPY

    MLPs have high yields and don’t decay overtime but can move with oil and gas prices
     
    #13     Feb 21, 2023
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  4. Mr. Turtle, is there anything you look for to see that it is time for them to be a "good trade"? Like (even more than normal) underperformance versus the SPY over some extended time period or something like that?

    Thanks!
     
    #14     Feb 21, 2023
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  5. So, USDJPY, I seem to remember testing MLP prices awhile back, and finding out that they were horrid performers over time on average. But don't quote me on that, let me run some new tests, will follow up.

    Thanks.
     
    #15     Feb 21, 2023
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  6. I'm gonna start going through these ph1l. Maverick I think it was did a thread recently about ETFs/CEFs that were horrible and possibly good to short. I suspect many of these may land on that list!

    First one - OILK - started trading 9/28/16, and an investment in it since then would have earned you an IRR of -3.55% and a max DD of 83.76%. Now if that ain't a shortin' stock I don't know what is!
     
    #16     Feb 21, 2023
  7. REVS.

    9/25/19
    9.93% IRR
    37.85% Max DD

    Not horrible, but also not the high dividend that is stated.
     
    #17     Feb 21, 2023
  8. AMOM

    5/21/19
    11.26% IRR
    40.03% Max DD

    Not horrible, but also looks like very small dividends.
     
    #18     Feb 21, 2023
  9. GLCN

    10/14/2010
    -0.95% IRR
    51.43% Max DD

    Looks like another one for Maverick's short thread - not just bad performance, but also over an extended time period.

    No track records of dividends, just one paid in recent past.
     
    #19     Feb 21, 2023
  10. %%
    A lot of things;
    + like you noted\ VEA,VWO long term \underperform SPY benchmark.
    Like you said ,starting from 2007,VWO,VEA, is a good reason for me not to do that trade oftenLOL.:D:D
    And somewhat unusual JAN, WSJ, markets page, with SPY candlecharts[s+p500];
    had America/Brazil/Canada/Chile-..........Thailand all mostly went green positive
    Christmas week,2022 + 1st week JAN 2023, they were selling SPY below 50 day moving average;
    Christmas week 2022+ 1st week JAN2023, they were buying VEA, VWO above 50dma.
     
    #20     Feb 22, 2023