Fauci's "Noble Lies"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Oct 28, 2021.

  1. ipatent

    ipatent

    Source showing deceit?
     
    #21     Oct 29, 2021
  2. exGOPer

    exGOPer

    Yes, ZeroHedge is a known propaganda outlet.
     
    #22     Oct 29, 2021
  3. ipatent

    ipatent

    According to which national security experts?
     
    #23     Oct 29, 2021
  4. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    #24     Oct 29, 2021
  5. NeoTrader

    NeoTrader

    I assume you're answering to some of the useless morons I have on ignore. Pieces of shit that were blocked precisely for not being able to sustain an argument like an adult, whose only pathetic "arguments" are reduced to either genetic fallacies or ad hominems (the only reason I have for blocking someone here).

    And judging by your questions, that's exactly what they've been doing from the thread's start.

    It all comes down to one simple question: If the source is so bad and with such absurd assertions, they would be the easiest assertions to refute with basic logic and facts.

    The fact that they keep attacking the source, instead of refuting the "absurdity" shows just how full of shit these idiots are.

    Pathetic.
     
    #25     Oct 29, 2021
  6. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    He started to cry once I'm sure. He is also reading this.

    He blocks people who refute him effectively. It's the only way he can protect his ego.

    The guy claims to be a "physician" who practiced family medicine for just five years before he I recall quit because "they" (the socialists) frustrated him by not allowing him order specialist tests but insisted he refer patients to specialist instead. Apparenty sometimes the specialist never order the test HE knew was necessary.

    Quit or kicked..?

    Crazy world eh?
     
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    #26     Oct 29, 2021
  7. piezoe

    piezoe

    I already quoted Fauci's actual position already. Knowing this, no reasonable person would describe Fauci's early position on face masks as a lie, even though his position did evolve somewhat, but clearly he never lied.
     
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    #27     Oct 30, 2021
  8. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    i don't know about that...

    So, why weren't we told to wear masks in the beginning?

    "Well, the reason for that is that we were concerned the public health community, and many people were saying this, were concerned that it was at a time when personal protective equipment, including the N95 masks and the surgical masks, were in very short supply. And we wanted to make sure that the people namely, the health care workers, who were brave enough to put themselves in a harm way, to take care of people who you know were infected with the coronavirus and the danger of them getting infected."
     
    #28     Oct 30, 2021
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    I understand that the quote you posted is attributed to Fauci. As far as I know it is correct. But where is the lie in it? Fauci never said, so far as I am aware, "don't wear a masks." If had said that it would be a contradiction of what he wrote Burwell. From the beginning, I'm certain he would have wanted everyone to wear reasonably effective masks. Apparently, however, there was no effort by the administration to prepare for a pandemic when they learned one was coming in Dec 2019. Fauci was not part of that administration, we was put on TV later to give Trump's dog and pony show credibility. He is a public servant and the vindictive Donald Trump was his boss. I'm sure he parsed his words to avoid conflict with the Orange behemoth lurking behind him. I would have, up to the point that I was being forced to lie. And that's where I would draw the line. THat's, so far as I can tell, where Fauci drew it, and as a result he was removed from the cast of official dog and pony show characters.

    It was our JACKASS administration's thing. The administration clearly wanted to edit the experts including the CDC and Fauci. Trump said "it will go away" and in Trump's mind perception is reality, and they were making it go away, just like trump tried to make a hurricane go to Alabama using a felt tip marker because he had said it was going to Alabama.

    Trump read little, he did not listen, other than to himself and to television voices that parroted his nonsense. Why listen to anyone once you're convinced you are smarter than anyone, that "[you] alone can fix it." We were being led by a mad man. That was soon obvious, except to Trump's poorly educated followers.

    Even Republican politicians knew he was a dangerous, vindictive, narcissistic, lunatic demagogue, but they backed him up anyway because they were afraid of what he might do to ruin their political careers if they crossed him. Many of them are still making the same mistake and looking like blithering fools. The few Republicans who spoke the truth about Trump were ostracized. A lesson for those would be traitors to Trump's plan to overthrow the government and install himself as dictator.

    No one ever said don't wear masks. Trump tried to create the perception that Covid was not dangerous by refusing to wear a mask, and almost died from Covid. He set the tone for his sheep including his family, who became infected. It became a Republican thing to refuse to wear a mask? Could anything be more idiotic?

    Read the actual quote of Fauci's entire email to Burwell to understand Fauci's position on face masks early in the pandemic. It seems his position evolved, but it was that some types of face masks were of little benefit in protecting a masked uninfected person from an unmasked infected person, never that masks were of no benefit. And from the outset Fauci's position was that some types of face masks were better than others, and always that masks worn by an infected person were of some benefit. This is a nuanced position. This is what he believed at the time. He was not lying! To lie, you have to know that something different from what you are saying is the actual truth. We have no indication that that would apply to Fauci.
     
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    #29     Oct 30, 2021
  10. exGOPer

    exGOPer