Fasting as 'an amazing way of life'.

Discussion in 'Health and Fitness' started by themickey, Nov 10, 2019.

  1. themickey

    themickey

    Megan sees fasting as 'an amazing way of life'. She's far from alone

    • https://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/he...ife-she-s-far-from-alone-20191108-p538o5.html

    • It’s been around for thousands of years in one form or another, either through necessity or religious practice. But for the last two, it seems, you can’t click on a lifestyle website without seeing a mention of intermittent fasting.

      It appears that severely restricting calorie intake, either for eight hours, two days or two weeks, has become the diet du jour.

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      Megan Kuhner has adopted intermittent fasting as way to support her health, and is happy with the results.

      There’s the original 5:2, developed by Dr Michael Mosley, who recommends eating normally for five days (that’s around 2500 calories for men, 2000 calories for women) and then restricting your intake to 600 calories for men and 500 for women for two days.

      Mosley garnered widespread interest when he talked about it as a weight loss tool on British television in 2012. His book, The Fast Diet, is now a number one New York Times bestseller.

      Then there’s Twitter founder Jack Dorsey, who will go without eating for an entire weekend only to break his fast with dinner on a Sunday night. Dorsey said it helped him have greater focus throughout the day although in the beginning he did experience hallucinations.

      And then there’s Australia’s version, SuperFastDiet, developed last year by two former Gloria Marshall counsellors, Victoria Black and Gen Davidson, after they grew frustrated at no longer being able to lose weight on more conventional diets like Weight Watchers.

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      Dr Michael Mosley helped propel the ancient practice of intermittent fasting into the Western mainstream.

      The women have since shed 40 kilograms between them using 5:2, but their program also offers flexible options such as fasting for 16 hours a day (including while you sleep) or restricting food intake to 1000 calories for three days.

      Black says that since they started they’ve had 8300 people lose weight on the program. But their biggest success story would be the 1.7 tonnes lost by the township of Dubbo, in western NSW. Formerly known as the 12th fattest town in the state, with almost 72 per cent of the population overweight or obese, in September they decided to go on SuperFastDiet for eight weeks. Even the mayor got involved. A handful of townspeople appeared on the Today show on Friday, to show off their “after” bodies and talk about the success of Downsizing Dubbo.

      Proponents claim intermittent fasting can sharpen cognitive skills, lower blood sugar, cholesterol and blood pressure, reduce belly fat, help you sleep better and lengthen your life – there’s even preliminary research suggesting it can reduce breast cancer recurrence.

      Dr Mark Mattson, a professor of Neuroscience at Johns Hopkins University, has been studying the effects of fasting on brain health for 20 years. His studies on animals in the 1990s and early 2000s showed that fasting two days per week is such a shock to the brain that it promotes the creation of new neurones. These neurones are reportedly much more resistant to protein plaque accumulation, which is a major cause of Alzheimer’s and Parkinson’s disease and even stroke. He gave a Ted Talk on the topic in 2014.

      Is it akin to a Marie Kondo-ing of food consumption – clearing out all the clutter of shakes and soups and apple cider cleansers?

      But if the bulk of information about the wonders of part-time calorie restriction came out five years ago, what accounts for the mainstreaming of the trend now?

      How did "fasting" – once synonymous with famine, religious practices and let’s be honest, disordered eating – become suddenly so lucrative? Is it a backlash to the fetishisation of food? All those elaborate cooking shows, recipe books, celebrity chefs and food porn? Is it akin to a Marie Kondo-ing of food consumption – clearing out all the clutter of shakes and soups and apple cider cleansers?

      Is it also, perhaps, a way to cut through all the rules diets have instituted this past decade? “Thou shalt not eat carbohydrates” and “Thou shalt cut out sugar”, to say nothing of the superiority of activated almonds and other magical foods, like celery, which is also currently enjoying a boom.

      Or is this the ultimate manifestation of privilege? Restriction, after all, implies excess.

      “That’s an interesting take, though as you can imagine, it’s not my take,” says Kate Harrison, a British journalist who wrote the popular 5:2 Diet Book after watching Dr Mosley on TV and doing her own research.
      Health professionals are now backing a new diet plan.
      “I watched the BBC Horizon show back in the summer of 2012 and began to research the different fasting approaches off the back of that, and I decided to try it out. At that point I was 73kg and I was a UK size 16. I was also really worried about my health because both my parents are diabetic.

      "Previously I’d been a yo-yo dieter and nothing worked to keep the weight off permanently,” she says. Within six months she was under 60 kilograms, a weight she has maintained for the past seven years by eating fewer than 500 calories one or two days a week.

      “I enjoy sweet things, drink two or three nights a week and haven’t banned carbs or anything else,” says Harrison. “I recently had my blood sugar levels tested again and mine are so low that the GP told me ‘We never see them that good usually'.”

      Harrison believes the popularity of calorie restriction is down to flexibility. “It doesn’t need any expensive plans or supplements.

      “I see it very much as a strategy against the junk food and snacking culture we’ve been encouraged by manufacturers to adopt. It increases awareness of appetite and it’s doable because it’s only two days.”

      But what exactly does one eat during those days? “I’ll start the day with an iced long black,” says Megan Kuhner, who lost nearly 25kg, going from 100.6kg to 75.8kg since she joined SuperFastDiet in January last year.

      “Lunch is Cruskits with light cheese and a topping such as fresh coriander, cucumber and tomato. For the afternoon I’ll have a yoghurt with blueberries and another coffee, and dinner is a felafel salad. I also drink lots of water and love sparkling mineral water and kombucha,” says Kuhner, “It’s an awesome program and a seriously amazing way of life!”

      I see it very much as a strategy against the junk food and snacking culture we’ve been encouraged by manufacturers to adopt.

      Kate Harrison, who wrote 5:2.
      But some nutritionists remain unconvinced. “I have two clients at the moment who are trying to recover a ‘normal’ peaceful relationship with food after fasting triggered bingeing,” says dietician Susan Williams.

      “Fasting is very much the dieting trend of the moment. And of course because dieting is a dirty word it’s promoted under the banner of ‘the metabolic benefits'. But seriously if it wasn’t also touting weight loss then no one would be interested,” says Williams. She says some claims made about the benefits of fasting are way ahead of the scientific evidence and studies have been too small to draw proper conclusions.

      “For me, as a dietician who works in eating disorders, the biggest concern with the evangelical promotion of fasting is that it is associated with an increased risk of disordered eating and eating disorders and even death.”

      Caroline Dooner, a recovering yo-yo dieter and author of The F-ck It Diet believes fasting is no better than every other fad eating program out there. "We are all subconsciously looking for a miracle diet and miracle cure. But when you get down to it fasting is just an unsustainable and dysfunctional practice that mimics many eating disorders.

      “It often leads to a pattern of erratic eating, extreme cravings and bingeing,” says Dooner. And disturbingly, “[that] will stick around long after the fasting is over."
     
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  2. Baron

    Baron ET Founder

    As someone who did intermittent fasting for over a year, I can tell you that the above statement is absolutely true.
     
  3. themickey

    themickey

    I found the opposite, after trying out fasting maybe 30 years ago when I went without solids for 3 days, subsequently I can go without food all day and night with no effect or urge or even discomfort. Binge eating and binge drinking, never done that as I'm not a big eater at anytime.
    Similar with coffee or tea, I can switch off with no effect or urge, though initially that had been difficult, ending up with headaches.
    I suppose I put it down to, once you can break thru the initial pain of fasting, and sheesh that is very difficult the first times, then it becomes easier, just my experience.
    For the last several years, I have 1 bowl muesli for breakfast, 1 cup of coffee a day straight after breakfast at cafe, most days no tea and if I do it's only 1 cup herbal tea for the day, 3-4 peanut butter wholemeal bread slices midday and a cooked meal mid afternoon (not large), 3pm'ish and that's it, no other snacks. So my last meal say 3- 4pm and next small meal around 7am, so that's 15 hours between meals every day.
    I'm nearly 70 yo and my doctor wouldn't recognise me if he tripped over me. (Touch wood, hoping not to jinx myself here).
     
  4. destriero

    destriero

    I went from 258 to 232 in six weeks of 5/2. It was back in 2018. It's certainly easier to maintain than keto. I took stims on the off days, upped the CoQ10 and ALCAR.
     
  5. destriero

    destriero


    I agree, but it becomes easier with time, and you can't go 5K cals on the first day off the fast.
     
  6. Overnight

    Overnight

    You don't have to fast, per se. You simply need to eat less processed shit.

    Nobody ever gained weight eating green leafy vegetables and the occasional Milk Dud.

     
  7. If the approach requires a meaningful and ongoing measure of willpower, then it is not likely sustainable in the longer run. I think that gradual lifestyle and dietary changes are a better bet. Not exactly a Eureka! moment, but there it is.
     
  8. speedo

    speedo

    Yep, no program can be effective without a measure of discipline.
     
  9. Fasting has a lot of science to back it up but if you adhere to the fad versions of Intermittent fasting or don't follow it with a sense of moderation as mentioned by others, then you are just basically yo yo dieting. Problem is most people follow the fasting sold by diet supplement companies or other product sellers rather than a proper approach easily found.

    Also, cannot cookie cutter this, everyone has to find the timing and days that works best for them.
     
  10. themickey

    themickey

    Regular Fasting May Lead to Longer Life
    Study of calorie-restricted mice shows promise for adjustments in human food-consumption patterns
    by Kent Allen, AARP, September 11, 2018 | Comments: 4


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    Looking to live longer? You might want to expand the time between your meals.

    A recent study of mice found that those whose diets were restricted to once a day on average lived longer and were generally healthier than mice that had access to food 24 hours a day.

    Researchers say that the results of the study, published in the medical journal Cell Metabolism and conducted by scientists from the National Institute on Aging (NIA), ought to generate further investigation about the effect of eating intervals on humans.

    “These intriguing results in an animal model show that the interplay of total caloric intake and the length of feeding and fasting periods deserves a closer look,” said Richard J. Hodes, M.D., the director of the NIA.

    Besides having longer lives, the mice who fasted experienced “delays in common age-related damage to the liver and other organs [and] significant improvement in fasting glucose and insulin levels,” the NIA reported. In addition, the type of food they ate “had no significant impact” on life span among the mice whose diets were restricted.

    The study's lead author, Rafael de Cabo, the chief of the Translational Gerontology Branch of the NIA Intramural Research Program, suggested that a longer fasting period may give the body more opportunity to adjust to the consumption of food.

    “Perhaps this extended daily fasting period enables repair and maintenance mechanism that would be absent in a continuous exposure to food,” de Cabo said.
    https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2018/fasting-linked-to-longevity-in-mice.html
     
    #10     Nov 12, 2019