Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #81     Mar 18, 2022
  2. easymon1

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    #82     Mar 23, 2022
  3. easymon1

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    #83     Mar 29, 2022
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's fact check the latest nonsense being pushed by anti-vax Covid-deniers. Their crap gets more absurd all the time.

    Anti-vaxxers say three doses of a COVID-19 vaccine results in higher infection rates. Here's why that's incorrect
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-25/coronacheck-ukhsa-report-negative-efficacy-false/100936440

    CoronaCheck is a weekly newsletter from RMIT FactLab which recaps the latest in the world of fact checking and misinformation, drawing on the work of FactLab and its sister organisation, RMIT ABC Fact Check.

    You can read the latest edition below, and subscribe to have the next newsletter delivered straight to your inbox.

    CoronaCheck #105
    This week, we explain how official UK data is being used to incorrectly suggest that being vaccinated against COVID-19 leads to a greater risk of catching the disease.

    We also debunk a claim from a fringe Senate candidate who suggested that public health decisions in Australia were not being made locally, and detail how the Doherty Institute got dragged into a global biolab conspiracy theory.

    No, the official UK data does not mean jabs put you at greater risk of COVID-19

    Popular social media posts are pushing the argument that COVID-19 jabs have "negative efficacy", suggesting they increase — rather than decrease — the risks associated with the disease.

    In one such video shared via Telegram, high-profile anti-vax campaigner Dr Ryan Cole tells the health committee of the general assembly of US state Tennessee:

    "We've seen the data out of Denmark, out of Israel, out of the UK, where the shots actually turn into what we call negative efficacy, where your chances are higher from the shots of getting disease instead of being protective."

    On March 13, a British journalist tweeted that the official data showed UK infection rates were "now higher in the triple vaccinated than the unvaccinated across all age groups … corresponding to negative vaccine effectiveness across the board".

    But such claims are bogus, as fact checkers with FullFact and The Ferret have shown time and again.

    The UK data comes from weekly surveillance reports published by England's UK Health and Security Agency (Table 13), which, on the face of it, appear to show that infection rates per 100,000 people really are higher among the vaccinated than the unvaccinated.

    There are, however, well-documented problems with how infection rates are calculated for the unvaccinated group.

    Put simply: no-one knows how many unvaccinated people there are.

    To get around this, the health agency has relied on estimates drawn from a database called NIMS. And these estimates are very likely wrong.

    Professor David Speigelhalter, a leading expert in risk communication with the University of Cambridge, told RMIT FactLab that the agency had used "inappropriate population estimates based on registrations with family doctors which are known to be overestimates due to multiple registrations and people leaving the country.

    "This can make the unvaccinated group [the denominator] look too large, and hence the case rates misleadingly low."

    FullFact has also explained in detail the problems with using this denominator, and the UK national statistics regulator has illustrated how using alternative population estimates would drastically affect the results.

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    Different population estimates can create different results.(UK OSR, via ONS, NIMS and UKHSA)

    Those alternative estimates, produced by the Office for National Statistics, are much smaller so result in higher infection rates among the unvaccinated group.

    Denominators aside, the health agency report makes clear that infection rates should not be used to estimate vaccine effectiveness (which is calculated separately).

    It explains in a blog post: "This is because there are key differences in the characteristics and behaviour of individuals who are vaccinated compared to those who are unvaccinated", including their chances of taking a COVID-19 test.

    "The rates therefore reflect this population's behaviour and exposure to COVID-19, not how well the vaccines work."

    Notably, Public Health Scotland stopped publishing infection rates by vaccination status after they were repeatedly misused, while the UK agency's reporting of them has been publicly criticised by the national statistics regulator which, in November 2021, warned that the data potentially "misleads people into thinking it says something about vaccine effectiveness".

    More recently, fact checkers with Reuters and Science Feedback have debunked claims that a Danish study found COVID-19 jabs to be negatively effective, explaining that comparisons were again likely biased due to different behaviours and exposure patterns in each group.

    "Such biases are quite common in [vaccine effectiveness] estimation from observational studies based on population data (unlike a phase 3 randomised trial which is the gold standard)," one of the study's authors told Reuters.

    In an email to FactLab, the Doherty Institute's Professor Terry Nolan said that, to his knowledge, there was "no evidence of negative efficacy for any COVID vaccine in either clinical trials or from post-marketing RWE [real world evidence]".

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    #84     Apr 1, 2022
  5. I’m thinking a study should be done comparing virility of people who suffered a major immune stress event in their teenage years such as major acne or a virus that required hospitalization. There seems to be a somatic type in men and women who meet the aforementioned criteria.

    I’m not necessarily railing against vaccines that may indirectly reduce virility, after all, our world is having problems with its population right now. However, it is something policy makers should be aware of, assuming they are not aware of it now.
     
    #85     Apr 1, 2022
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's fact check the latest absurd nonsense being pushed by anti-vax Covid-deniers. Now since all the actual data show that vaccines are very effective these clowns are trying to claim that data comparing the unvaccinated and vaccinated is not available - which is simply not true.

    COVID-19 Data Comparing Vaccinated vs. Unvaccinated Continue to Be Available, Contrary to Viral Posts
    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/04/s...nues-to-be-available-contrary-to-viral-posts/
     
    #86     Apr 2, 2022
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at the facts about the unvaccinated. Otherwise known as the "control group" or the "dead & sick people".

    Claim: As with people vaccinated against COVID-19, “many people who were NOT vaccinated also experienced zero or mild symptoms.”

    Hospitalizations, deaths are not the same among unvaccinated and vaccinated with COVID-19
    Unvaccinated people still experience higher rates of hospitalization and death from COVID-19 than vaccinated people.
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...alizations-deaths-are-not-same-among-unvacci/


    A Facebook post that says many unvaccinated people have mild cases of COVID-19 is missing context about serious cases.

    The April 8 post says outcomes from COVID-19 are similar for people who are vaccinated or unvaccinated.

    "Why are these idiots still THANKING the vaccine?" said the post by Jenna Ellis, a contributor at conservative website Newsmax. "Many people who were NOT vaccinated also experienced zero or mild symptoms. Stop pushing the vax."

    It includes a screenshot of a tweet from U.S. Rep. Frank Pallone, D-N.J., that said, "I tested positive for COVID-19 today. Thankfully, I’m vaccinated and double boosted so my symptoms are mild. Please get vaccinated and boosted if you haven’t already to protect yourself and your family."

    The Facebook post was flagged as part of the platform’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

    The post omits important context: People who are not vaccinated against COVID-19 are hospitalized for and die from the virus at much higher rates than those who have had at least two doses of vaccine, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

    For example, in February, the rate of COVID-19 hospitalizations for the unvaccinated in the U.S. compared with the vaccinated was two times higher among those age five to 11, and five times higher among ages 50 to 64.

    "Unvaccinated people in all age groups had higher case and death rates than people vaccinated with a primary series in the same age groups," the CDC reported as of March 17.

    The CDC has estimated that two or three doses of an mRNA vaccine reduce risk for COVID-19 invasive mechanical ventilation or death by 90%, and three doses of vaccine during the omicron surge reduced the risk by 94%.

    While there were more breakthrough COVID-19 cases with the omicron variant, vaccines continued to protect against infection, serious illness and death.

    While some people who are not vaccinated may not have experienced serious COVID-19 symptoms when infected, this claim ignores the data that show the virus is far more serious and fatal in people who are unvaccinated. We rate this claim Mostly False.

    Our Sources
    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, "Effectiveness of mRNA Vaccination in Preventing COVID-19–Associated Invasive Mechanical Ventilation and Death — United States, March 2021–January 2022," March 25, 2022

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID data tracker, "Rates of COVID-19 Cases and Deaths by Vaccination Status," updated March 17, 2022

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, COVID data tracker, "Rates of laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 hospitalizations by vaccination status," posted March 31, 2022

    Facebook post, April 8, 2022

    PolitiFact, "Newsmax," accessed April 11, 2022

    PolitiFact, "No, omicron does not favor the vaccinated," Jan. 17, 2022

    Twitter post, April 8, 2022
     
    #87     Apr 16, 2022
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    #88     Apr 18, 2022
  9. Vaccine Skeptics are the True Critical Thinkers

    We Overcame the Most Sophisticated Forms of Manipulation


    The Asch Experiment, conducted by Solomon Asch, found out that most people, when seeing a “consensus” of participants agreeing on something that is fairly obviously false, actually ends up agreeing with those false opinions just because everyone else seems to think so.

    The experiment was originally set up with eight persons, only one of whom was an experimental subject, and the rest were actors. These stooges, who the subject thought were other subjects, were all asked the same question, to which they gave an obviously wrong answer. The subject, who did not know he was the only real subject, was to speak up last.

    It turned out that subjects of this experiment (it was repeated multiple times), seeing a consensus of seven smartly dressed men, would end up giving the same (obviously incorrect) answer as the stooges. This conformance experiment literally was a clever way to make people hold and express obviously false opinions.

    This experiment was repeated many times, and in the most skillfully conducted experiments, they got 62.5% of subjects to agree with obvious nonsense at least once.

    https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/vaccine-skeptics-are-the-true-critical?s=r


     
    #89     Apr 18, 2022
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at the latest bullcrap being pushed by Covid misinformation clowns. The lengths these idiots will go to in pushing obviously false harmful disinformation continually reaches new heights of absurdity. Sadly social media gives them an outlet to push their fabrications widely.

    Fact Check-No link between hepatitis cases in children and COVID-19 vaccines
    https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-vaccines-health-idUSL2N2WJ18L

    Posts have been spreading online in response to an increase in cases of hepatitis (liver inflammation) among children in Britain, the U.S. and Europe, with users suggesting a link to COVID-19 vaccines. There is no established link between the condition and the shots, however, according to public health authorities.

    In early April, the World Health Organization (WHO) and UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) announced spikes in cases of hepatitis among children where the viruses typically causing hepatitis were not detected (here and here).

    With 10 cases initially reported in Scotland online, there have now been at least 74 total cases of acute hepatitis identified in children in Britain (here).

    The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) also issued a public alert on April 12 about severe acute hepatitis in children, warning about symptoms including jaundice, gastrointestinal symptoms and vomiting (here).

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is also reportedly helping health officials investigate cases of hepatitis in children in Alabama (here, here).

    However, social media users have baselessly suggested a link between the hepatitis cases and COVID-19 vaccination (here, here, here and here).





    In one example, a user says (here) : “Am I the only one wondering if they got, you know, that thingie in their arm?”



    A representative of the UK Health Security Agency (UKHSA) told Reuters of the UK cases: “There is no link to the COVID-19 vaccine.

    “None of the currently confirmed cases in the UK has been vaccinated.”

    One of several potential causes is a group of viruses called adenoviruses, the UKHSA said (here).

    The UKHSA is also investigating other possible causes, including COVID-19, other infections and environmental causes.

    Of 13 cases reported by Scotland, three tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 infection; five tested positive for adenoviruses, with two test results still pending (here).

    Scottish Health Minister Maree Todd also told Scottish Parliament on April 19 that there was no link between the hepatitis cases and COVID-19 vaccines because none of the children had been vaccinated, according to reports (here, here).

    A handful of cases of hepatitis with unknown causes were also reported in Ireland and Spain with investigations ongoing, according to the WHO (here).

    The European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control also confirmed on Apr. 19 additional cases in The Netherlands and Denmark (here).

    The WHO told Reuters via email that it is aware through International Health Regulations mechanisms and media reports of suspect cases in Britain, Spain, Ireland, Denmark, the Netherlands and the U.S.

    The organisation added that it is maintaining contact with member states to verify the reports and confirm further information.

    VERDICT
    False.
    There is no link between the COVID-19 vaccine and hepatitis among children in Britain. None of the children had received COVID-19 vaccines. Adenoviruses may be causing the illnesses, but no cause has yet been established for cases in Britain, Europe and the U.S.

    This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here .
     
    #90     Apr 24, 2022