Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I've never even heard anyone suggest this one. Do you browse crazy sites so you can come here and post the craziest, and then say "see? all people who hate the vaccine believe this!"

    Like when you accused me of saying 5G and Demon Sperm were related to COVID despite never having said anything of the sort?
     
    #71     Feb 23, 2022
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yet you pushed all sorts of Covid nonsense from the Dr. Stella Immanuel and her compatriots of "America's Frontline Doctors" who constantly pushed demon sperm and 5G stuff. Yet somehow you believe she and her organization is a credible source and we should follow her opinions -- and the other Covid nonsense she pushes as a hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin grifter is somehow factual. Once again -- if you present an organization as a "valid source" of "medical facts" then you are effectively aligned with & supporting all the claims they shovel.
     
    #72     Feb 23, 2022
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    "all sorts of nonsense"...

    I posted one post from one doctor that I agreed with. As I've said to you over and over (and actually called you out on, before you went silent again) just because you support someone's statement on one thing doesn't mean you support everything that person has ever said.

    You've clicked "like" on my posts from time to time. You clearly don't support everything I say all the time. I have to dumb this shit down for you to grasp the concept.
     
    #73     Feb 24, 2022
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  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You continually post misinformation pushed by individuals associated with organizations which are the leading purveyors of Covid misinformation such as "America's Frontline Doctors". Nearly 100% of the claims from these sources are fact-checked as completely false. If you push information from these types of dubious sources while regularly claiming they are valid sources for Covid information -- then you effectively support all the nonsense they push.
     
    #74     Feb 24, 2022
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Sorry, just because you say something is true doesn't make it so. This is what you have the biggest problem with around here.

    When I post an article or a tweet or a statement, my support is limited to that article or tweet or statement. That's it.

    Get with the program, dopey.
     
    #75     Feb 24, 2022
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  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Says the guy who regularly pushes stuff from leading known Covid misinformation sources.
     
    #76     Feb 24, 2022
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Says the guy who regularly calls sources misinformation without actually proving it, simply because it challenges his Religion™.
     
    #77     Feb 24, 2022
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    In recent days we have seen Covid misinformation posts on ET claiming that mRNA Covid vaccines change your DNA. It is sad that we are dealing continually with this stream of bullshiat misinformation -- but that is how anti-vax Covid-deniers roll. They just post the latest crap they find on social media all over the place.

    Let's take a look at this DNA claim...


    Anti-vaxxers say a new study claims mRNA vaccines can alter your DNA. Here's why experts say that's bunkum
    https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-04/coronacheck-mrna-vaccines-not-genotoxic-pete-evans/100879220

    This week, we look at fresh claims that mRNA vaccines put your genes at risk, and bring you the latest on the coronavirus "lab leak" theory.

    Meanwhile, as the war in Ukraine spills over into the realm of mis- and disinformation, we launch a new section looking at the facts and falsehoods surrounding the conflict.

    And make sure to read to the bottom for some crocodile-related debunking.

    No, mRNA jabs aren't 'genotoxic'

    Claims that COVID-19 jabs can alter human DNA resurfaced this week as vaccine sceptics across social media seized upon the results of a new study to suggest that people receiving the vaccine risked changing or even poisoning their genes.

    "YES THE ‘VACCINE' ALTERS YOUR DNA," read one post in a popular conspiracy forum, viewed more than 30,000 times.

    Former TV chef Pete Evans also used his Telegram channel to announce that "mRNA could alter human DNA!", while also sharing an edited extract from the study that suggested this process may "potentially mediate GENOTOXIC SIDE EFFECTS".

    So, should you be worried?

    Not according to three experts consulted by Fact Check, who separately described the latest study as "regrettably weak", "[not] very robust" and "very limited" in its findings.

    Published by academics in Sweden, the study purports to show that the "messenger" RNA at the heart of Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine can be converted to DNA inside a human cell via "reverse transcription".

    This is a process whereby RNA (itself a product of DNA) creates DNA. However, inserting that DNA into our genome requires a secondary process called "retrotransposition", which, as experts writing in The Conversation have explained, is exceedingly rare.

    According to a fact sheet written by the US Centres for Disease Control and Prevention, the genetic material contained in mRNA vaccines "never enters the nucleus [centre] of your cells, which is where your DNA is kept".

    Claims of mRNA vaccines altering human DNA have persisted throughout the pandemic, despite being debunked by fact checkers at Reuters, PolitiFact and AFP.

    As for the latest study, Traude Beilharz, an associate professor and RNA biologist at Monash University, told Fact Check that "the level of evidence [it provides] for reverse-transcription is low, [while] the evidence for genome integration is non-existent".

    She said that if the vaccine had triggered the retrotransposition process "then the other [approximately] 10,000 mRNAs within the cell should be ending up in the genome too".

    "But that simply doesn't happen," she added, explaining that human cells have "myriad mechanisms" to prevent it, and that there were "many experimental tests available to researchers to detect even vanishingly rare retrotransposition events".

    Even so, the authors wrote that they did "not know if DNA reverse transcribed from [the Pfizer vaccine] is integrated into the cell genome".

    In an email to Fact Check, Archa Fox, an associate professor at the University of Western Australia's School of Molecular Sciences, noted several issues with the design of the study, including that it relied on an artificially high dose of the vaccine.

    But in any event, "the fact that something is found in DNA format is neither here nor there … [without proving] it was integrated into the genome", she said.

    Stephen Turner, head of Monash University's Department of Microbiology, also raised concerns about the concentrated dose tested, along with the absence of controls for the study's use of cultured cells, which he said "don't represent the tissues of our body".

    "So to use it as evidence that these things change … or get incorporated into our DNA, is presumptive at best, misleading at worst," he said.
     
    #78     Mar 4, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see the latest crap being pushed by anti-vax Covid-deniers -- yep the latest narrative is that Covid vaccines cause cancer.

    Claim: "People who have had cancer in the past, they get the COVID jab and now, they're getting cancer two to three, four months later and it's the same cancer they had except much worse."


    No evidence that COVID-19 vaccines linked to cancer recurrence
    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...dence-covid-19-vaccines-linked-cancer-recurr/
    • There is no data to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines lead to cancer recurrence.
    • Because cancer is a common disease, and hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated against COVID-19, some people will have cancer recurrence around the time of their vaccination. It does not mean the vaccine caused the cancer, experts say.
    A viral Facebook video says COVID-19 vaccines are causing cancer recurrence — a claim that is not backed by evidence.

    "People who have had cancer in the past, they get the COVID jab and now, they're getting cancer two to three, four months later and it's the same cancer they had except much worse," says the speaker in the March 9 video.

    The video, which has more than 100,000 views, was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

    There is no data to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines lead to cancer recurrence, said Dr. Steven Pergam, a co-leader of the National Comprehensive Cancer Network committee that developed recommendations on COVID-19 vaccination in cancer patients, in a Q&A with the National Cancer Institute.

    Because cancer is a common disease, and hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated against COVID-19, some people will have cancer recurrence around the time of their vaccination, said Dr. Samuel Godfrey, research information team lead at Cancer Research UK, a nonprofit that funds cancer research. It does not mean the vaccine caused the cancer.

    In the Facebook video, the speaker claims that among people who are having cancer recurrences, "the cancers we’re seeing are highly resistant to treatment."

    But Godfrey said it’s important to understand why cancer recurs — and why, when it does, it is often harder to treat.

    "Cancer cells evolve very quickly," Godfrey said. "If someone has a cancer treatment, it only takes one cancer cell in a tumor to find a way to survive that therapy. That surviving cell is too small to detect, but will eventually seed a new tumor that is now resistant to the original treatment."

    Fact-checkers have debunked many claims that attempt to link COVID-19 vaccines to cancer, including falsehoods that overall cancer cases have spiked; that soft-tissue cancers have increased; and that the U.S. military has seen exponential increases in cancer diagnoses among its members.

    COVID-19 mRNA vaccines work by instructing cells to make versions of a harmless spike protein found on the surface of the coronavirus, so the immune system can recognize the protein and mount an antibody response against the virus in the event of a future infection. Those instructions do not interact with your DNA or alter genes and therefore cannot cause cancer.

    A number of health officials have noted that one temporary side effect of vaccines is that they can cause lymph nodes to swell in the armpit or other areas near the injection site in a way that mimics an early sign of cancer. While this can be confusing, practitioners say that people receiving cancer screenings soon after vaccination should alert their health care provider about their recent vaccination.

    Our ruling
    A Facebook video says, "People who have had cancer in the past, they get the COVID jab and now, they're getting cancer two to three, four months later and it's the same cancer they had except much worse."

    There is no data to suggest that COVID-19 vaccines lead to cancer recurrence.

    Cancer is a common disease and hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated against COVID-19, so it is expected that some people would have cancer recurrence around the time of their vaccination. It is not proof that vaccinations are the cause of the recurrence.

    We rate this claim False.

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    #79     Mar 14, 2022
  10. exGOPer

    exGOPer

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    #80     Mar 14, 2022