Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Hey Jean. Check this link out, which is the Office of National Statistics in the UK.

    There's an excel file they provide that shows deaths by age group for both vax'd and non-vax residents, all causes. Can you tell me what you see? I'm genuinely curious.
     
    #641     Mar 5, 2024
  2. I opened the main excel on top of the page, not sure which one you are referring to but that one seemed to be the total overview. Main conclusion from that table for me would be that there is a significant difference in "age-standardised mortality rate" (column G):

    Unvaccinated: average = 1481
    Ever vaccinated: average = 1016

    (Filtered for all causes of death.)

    I don't see a breakdown by age, maybe it's one of the other files I need for that? Based on the numbers above it confirms vaccination saves lifes. But somehow I got a feeling that is not your conclusion, so please tell me what numbers exactly you were looking at.
     
    #642     Mar 5, 2024
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    They also need to obtain a proper understanding of Base Rate Fallacy when the vaccinated group is much larger than the unvaccinated group. What percentage of the unvaccinated group died versus the percentage of the vaccinated group? This has been fully explained many times previously on ET but anti-vaxxers seem to be unable to grasp basic statistics and logic.
     
    #643     Mar 5, 2024
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  4. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    There were no vaccines in 2020 when Trump was President and those on the political left (e.g. Vice President Pamela Harris) were bashing Trump's Operation Warp Speed...essentially stating they would not take the "Trump Vaccine" because they would not trust it after Trump's promotion that he will be considered "America's Savior" when a Covid Vaccine is manufactured & distributed to Americans first...

    Trump began saying that only because he was far behind in the polls and he wanted a boost in the polls going into the November 2020 election. Thus, he thought for sure there would be a COVID-19 vaccine (manufacture/vaccine shots given) before the November 2020 election.

    Trump was wrong and the new vaccine manufacture announcement occurred after the November 3rd, 2020 U.S. Presidential election...

    On Wednesday, November 18th 2024, pharmaceutical company Pfizer Inc. announced that new test results show its coronavirus vaccine is 95 per cent effective, is safe, and also protects older people most at risk of dying but warned the efficacy will decline because the virus changes at an alarming rate not seen with any other vaccine in the history of vaccination.

    Biden received the Covid Vaccine on December 21st, 2020, and gave high praise to Trump's Operation Warp Speed. Unfortunately, the conspiracy theories about the vaccines started on the Right within days after Trump lost the U.S. election when he stated the COVID-19 vaccine announcement for the discovery was intentionally released after the election instead of before the election.

    Trump then stated it was done to hurt his reelection.

    Next, Tucker Carlson begin sharing his conspiracy theories about Covid Vaccines and Election fraud on Fox news.

    Reminder, Operation Warp Speed did not discover the Covid vaccine. Instead, it used unprecedented funding and resources while removing the red tape to bring the vaccine pieces together for manufacturing as fast as possible.

    Messenger RNA, or mRNA, was discovered in the early 1960s; research into how mRNA could be delivered into cells was developed in the 1970s. The manufacturing of research into a Covid Vaccine was announced after the November 3rd, 2020 elections.

    Yeah, the timing of the announcement is strange considering Trump was making statements to the media about the high efficacy & effectiveness several months before the November elections. Most on the left thought, he was just bullshitting to save his reelection after he had already been making inaccurate & false statements about treatments for Covid (e.g. disinfectant...by injection inside...almost a cleaning)....statements like that back on April 23, 2020 is why the political LEFT did not trust Trump suggestions about how to combat Covid-19.

    Yet, it was Biden who said that Trump said to "drink bleach".

    Today, it's aka Drink Bleach statement. :D







    I'll say it again, conspiracy theories by politicians, media and social media is the primary reason why America had such a poor performance (millions died) in the Covid Pandemic...a sad reality.

    Not one vaccine manufacturer stated the vaccines was 100% safe. Instead, they talked about 95% efficacy & effectiveness with a warning that the vaccines will "wane" because the Covid-19 viruses changed very fast.

    Today, after billions of Vaccine Doses...less than 1% (do the math) have had a severe reaction to the Covid vaccines. Yeah, there have been some deaths too. Yet, Covid-19 vaccines are still the safest vaccine in the history of vaccination although there's arguments among scientists that the Smallpox vaccine is the best performer.

    I'm OK with someone choosing to not be vaccinated. Yet, I'm not OK with someone using social media to spread conspiracy theories about vaccines.

    Other uses of mRNA vaccines

    Already, mRNA vaccines are being tested for other infectious agents, such as Ebola, Zika virus, and influenza. The mRNA vaccine technology also is being tested as a treatment for cancer. Cancerous cells create unique pieces of protein that are not found on healthy cells. A vaccine that produces those pieces can educate the immune system to attack those cells. Progress recently was reported with melanoma.

    Theoretically, mRNA technology also could produce proteins missing in certain diseases like cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, or diabetes.​

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    Last edited: Mar 5, 2024
    #644     Mar 5, 2024
  5. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader



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    #645     Mar 5, 2024
  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    Apparently you can survive 217 covid vaccinations. What? lol

     
    #646     Mar 6, 2024
  7. Hey Tsing Tao, I'm also genuinely curious about your conclusion on that data.
     
    #647     Mar 15, 2024
  8. So what is your conclusion Tsing Tao? A bit weird to post a dataset and ask me to draw a conclusion and then disappear, no?
     
    #648     Mar 22, 2024
  9. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    the next pandemic will come - that's a fact.

    and hopefully there will be a new vaccine again sooner or later - for intelligent people.

    and a lot more morons / magatards / ... - will die.
     
    Last edited: Mar 22, 2024
    #649     Mar 22, 2024
  10. Atlantic

    Atlantic

    #650     Mar 25, 2024