This is not true at all. All Studies do not prove vaccination was the right thing to do. Show me all of the studies saying that healthy children under 18 should take the vaccine. And please be aware, if there is a study out there that says they shouldn't, you're essentially wrong with this blanket statement. You're not taking into account that many people reported to have COVID and that died from actually didn't die from it at all, and that hospitals were incented on marking a patient that had died, and had covid, was reported as having died from covid. You want to talk about studies? There's plenty of info on that out there. You are most welcome, my friend.
Ok, I should not have said ALL studies since I am not a professional expert and probably haven't read ALL of them. I didn't realize we are playing word games here. I have read several studies concluding vaccination also makes sense for teenagers, and didn't find a single - reliable - study that proves vaccination does more harm than good. Again: I am not saying side effects are a hoax. But it seems the benefits outweigh the risks. Here's an example: https://answers.childrenshospital.org/covid-19-vaccination-teens/ And for your second point: it might be that hospitals in US had an incentive to report Covid and that the numbers are not correct. I can't be bothered to look into that. Several European countries that are very similar to US in relevant areas experienced the exact same pressure on their hospitals. So even if there was an effect, it didn't matter for the bigger picture.
2/3 of the Hospitals in the United States were paid a subsidy (incentive pay) only for patients on Medicare. Most of the incentives/subsidies occurred in the "treatments" of Covid patients...not deaths. An analysis by the Kaiser Family Foundation looked at average Medicare payments for hospital admissions for the existing diagnosis-related groups and noted that the “average Medicare payment for respiratory infections and inflammations with major comorbidities or complications in 2017 … was $13,297. For more severe hospitalizations, we use the average Medicare payment for a respiratory system diagnosis with ventilator support for greater than 96 hours, which was $40,218.” It is true, however, that the government will pay more to hospitals for COVID-19 cases in two senses: By paying an additional 20% on top of traditional Medicare rates for COVID-19 patients during the public health emergency, and by reimbursing hospitals for treating the uninsured patients with the disease (at that enhanced Medicare rate). On the flip side, there were hospitals given financial incentives for achieving pre-set health outcome targets. Simply, hospitals were paid a subsidy/incentive for patients who survived their severe Covid infection that resulted in hospitalization. A critical aspect not discussed enough, our healthcare system almost collapsed during the Pandemic if it were not for those financial incentives, especially in rural communities. Imagine a farmer not being able to breathe because the farmer had COVID-19 pneumonia and the ambulance is not able to take the farmer to a nearby local hospital because it is closed due to financial reasons...the ambulance must then drive an additional hour to the next hospital for your emergency healthcare. The above was not an uncommon scenario during the Pandemic. Many patients had to be flown by helicopters to the next city for Covid treatment. The local hospital did not have the resources/beds to treat the COVID-19 patient because that local hospital lacked the funds... I lost a friend in South Dakota who died en route by a medivac helicopter on her way to a hospital in another city because her local hospital did not have the resources due to financial reasons to treat her Covid Pneumonia. Further, it was not uncommon to see Covid patients in beds in the halls of U.S. hospitals because the hospital didn't have enough beds/rooms to treat Covid patients...they didn't have the financial resources to get beds, purchase more PPE equipment for their Doctors/Nurses and other medical personnel. Also, there was a further ripple impact. Early in the Pandemic, travel nurses/doctors were contracted often at rates 3 - 10x their normal pay because of a shortage in 2020...that in itself put a huge financial strain on our hospitals. Compared to other countries, there are fewer hospital beds in the U.S. per 1,000 people. The U.S. has 2.8 hospital beds per 1,000 compared to 3.2 in Italy, 6.1 in France, and 12.0 in South Korea, and 2.5 in Canada...countries I followed closely during the Pandemic. The lack of beds in the United States in comparison to other countries was mainly due to financial reasons. The U.S. government needed to act fast for those on Medicare by giving hospitals financial incentives to catch up with the rest of the global western governments. I bolded Canada above in red because it was an exception. After all, Canada's Covid performance was much better than the United States even though Canada has fewer beds per 1,000 people. The reason for Canada's outstanding performance against Covid in comparison to the United States... Canada's social welfare healthcare system allows hospitals to quickly share medical resources. Further, every citizen & legal resident in Canada has 100% healthcare for free. Also, the two heaviest hit provinces with Covid...Ontario and Quebec provide free basic healthcare to undocumented migrants...migrant Covid treatments and Covid deaths were on par with that of a Canadian citizen...resulting in less pressure on the healthcare system. Healthcare for All is Canada's philosophy. In contrast, there are +30 million uninsured Americans who did not have healthcare during the Pandemic...putting more pressure on the U.S. healthcare system to treat them for Covid illnesses. What did Hospitals in the United States primarily do with those financial incentives? Underwriting medical research and health professions education, and subsidizing high-cost, essential health services...becoming better prepared for the next Pandemic to prevent the financial nightmare that we saw during the Covid Pandemic. wrbtrader
Word games? You go after my statements, I go after yours. That's kinda how this works. And lest we forget, you engaged me here, not the other way around. Just so I understand this, you believe the benefits outweight the risks because you don't consider the studies claiming there was more harm than good for children to be credible. Did I state that correctly? Because if I did, then you should do what think best while the rest of us also do what we think best for ourselves, right? Of course you can't be bothered to look into it. It runs counter to your narrative.
I'm old enough to remember when Fauci and the NPC on this site said there was no evidence of myocarditis at all. Now, yet another conspiracy goes maintstream. I remember this. Good times. https://www.elitetrader.com/et/threads/desantis-for-the-win.345108/page-440#post-5429653
I don't know what to answer to you at this point. If you feel it is a narrative that drives me to trust some studies and don't trust others and you choosing to believe the nonsense is just a matter of having two opinions of equal worth then my conclusion is any further discussion is worthless. Just like you can't win arguments against flat earthers, it is impossible to have a meaningful discussion with you on this topic. Sources do matter. Critical thinking probably isn't what you think it is. Again: all reliable studies that I have read so far prove vaccination saves lifes. If you want to ignore the sources and believe the bullshit anti-vaxxers push you are free to do so of course. There are also thousands of websites and millions of tweets that prove the earth is flat, maybe you should do some research on that topic as well.
That's fine. You're more than welcome to think whatever you'd like to, and I'll continue to think whatever I'd like to. Again, it was you who came to me on this discussion. The main difference here is you believing in all of the data you're being provided, and me not trusting the data (because of so many times in the past where the public/professional narrative was discovered to be wrong). If the truth had been provided from the start, who knows? I might be right where you are, believing in the so-called "credible studies". But it wasn't. We were told we had to stand six feet from each other. We had to walk only one way down the aisle at grocery stores. We had to stand behind glass at the counter, but we could all touch the same groceries and currency. We were told masks didn't work (for 50 or so years) and then suddenly they did work. Then you had to have a particular type of mask (a year after any mask would do). Then masks were called into question altogether. Then you could take your mask off when you were seated at a restaurant, but had to wear it when walking in. Then we were told schools had to be closed, and children were kept out of schools. Couldn't go to the beach. Couldn't swim in the ocean. School bands had masks on, but the mouth portion was open so they could play their instrument. All of the stupid asinine things we were told, that many of us knew were ridiculous (and your "side" supported). But you want me to believe in your "credible studies" now. Right, flat earth is the same as questioning an experimental vaccine that got a waiver from the FDA, was rushed through, with legislation passed to prevent people from suing the pharma companies making it. You really should go look up the concept of "false equivilency". By the way, I'm not anti-vax. If I were, I wouldn't have the MMR, DPT, Tetanus, Hepatitus and all other vaccines that I've got. But folks with narratives like you've got just say "you're anti-vax". Have a wonderful day!
it's basically universal consensus that infant side effects and mortality is worse chancing COVID than taking the vax. The kooks argue about "muh myocarditis" which was known and reported w/in like the first 3 months of the vax while ignoring the myocarditis incidence w/COVID. it's like MAGA or every other bad bet, they'll twist themselves into a pretzel on how "it was a good thing actually". There's a Mark Twain quote on that...
Right. It's MAGA. You do realize that it was Trump who pushed the vaccine originally, and that there are a whole host of democrats that are on record and video saying they'd never take a vaccine Trump worked to get out, right? You probably also don't comprehend that it was the left that politicized the whole vaccine process in the first place.