Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    You're a crank.
     
    #41     Dec 14, 2021
  2. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Why do you say that?
    I mean I know the whole Bilderberg thing gets the dreaded conspiracy theorist label thrown on it, but are you denying the existence of elements that dream of one world currency and one world order?
     
    #42     Dec 14, 2021
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  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I saw the headlines and in fairness mouthwash will kill virus in the mouth. Won't do much for anything in your airways/lungs/throat though.
     
    #43     Dec 14, 2021
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's fact check the latest nonsense being shoveled by raving anti-vax idiots in the media...

    Fact-checking Glenn Beck’s claim that the US government ‘co-owns’ the COVID-19 vaccine
    Claims that the government co-owns a COVID-19 vaccine and has 'ulterior motives' to mandate it are unfounded.
    https://www.poynter.org/fact-checki...e-us-government-co-owns-the-covid-19-vaccine/

    In an episode of Glenn Beck’s Blaze TV program that has been clipped and widely shared on Facebook and TikTok, Beck holds up a stack of papers for the camera.

    “This is 153 pages of the confidential agreement between Moderna and the U.S. government and it goes back to 2015,” Beck says.

    He then goes on to say that the papers reveal the U.S. government has “ulterior motives” in mandating the coronavirus vaccines. “Did you know the government co-owns the vaccine?… the same government that is now mandating its use owns the vaccine?”

    The video was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Facebook.)

    Is it true that the government “owns the vaccine,” as Beck said? In short, no.

    But, as The New York Times reported Nov. 9, there is a long-brewing disagreement between Moderna and the National Institutes of Health over who developed a crucial part of the COVID-19 vaccine known as the mRNA sequence — and that could have implications for ownership of important patents related to the vaccine.

    There are various patent applications related to this vaccine, and Public Citizen, an advocacy group, has been urging the government to assert its interests as inventors. Public Citizen said on Nov. 2 that Moderna left off government scientists in three patent applications, and government scientists are credited as co-inventors on only one application.

    The NIH neither owns, nor co-owns, the COVID-19 vaccine that was developed by Moderna and NIH, according to a statement from Mark L. Rohrbaugh, the NIH special adviser for technology transfer.

    But, as the Times reported, the NIH believes that three of its scientists worked with Moderna and played a major role in making important discoveries that led to the Moderna vaccine.

    Moderna disagrees — and said so in a July filing with the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office; its patent application names its own employees as the sole inventors of the mRNA sequence, which is considered the principal component of the vaccine.

    A lot of money is at stake, as well as a big say in the distribution of vaccines worldwide. If the NIH scientists were named as inventors on the sequence patent, that would enable the government to collect royalties on the patent and to license it as it sees fit, including, some have noted, to other vaccine manufacturers besides Moderna. The result could have long-term consequences for global vaccine access.

    In 2020, NIH scientists collaborated with Moderna to design and test the COVID-19 vaccine that Moderna manufactures and sells, known as mRNA-1273, Rohrbaugh said. The collaboration evolved from one originally focused on the development and testing of mRNA vaccines to combat the zoonotic virus Nipah and MERS, a coronavirus related to SARS and SARS-CoV-2.

    The 2015 agreement that Beck appears to be citing in his video was between the NIAID and Moderna. It was an agreement to exchange confidential information to allow the parties to explore possible interest in collaborating, according to the NIH.

    In his video, Beck referenced a material transfer agreement among the University of North Carolina, NIAID, and Moderna, and said it was from 2015. However, that material transfer agreement was executed in 2019, according to the NIH, before SARS-CoV-2 had been identified as the cause of COVID-19 and its nucleotide sequence determined. These materials emerged from NIAID’s collaboration with Moderna on the development of a MERS vaccine.

    That collaboration between Moderna and NIH on the COVID-19 vaccine addressed neither co-ownership of vaccine candidates developed by NIH and Moderna nor inventorship on or co-ownership of patents arising from the collaboration, Rohrbaugh said. The NIH says that a material transfer agreement is used to transfer materials between laboratories, “generally for non-commercial research purposes.” The material transfer agreement from 2019, which NIH said pre-dates work on a vaccine specific to COVID-19, said that the NIH would share mRNA coronavirus vaccine candidates developed and jointly owned by NIAID and Moderna.

    Of the ongoing disagreement between NIH and Moderna over who invented a part of the COVID-19 vaccine, NIH Director Francis Collins told Reuters in November: “I think Moderna has made a serious mistake here in not providing the kind of co-inventorship credit to people who played a major role in the development of the vaccine that they’re now making a fair amount of money off of.”

    On Nov. 11, Moderna released a statement saying that it did not agree that government scientists “co-invented claims to the mRNA (modified nucleotide) sequence of our COVID-19 vaccine.” The statement continued:

    “Moderna remains the only company to have pledged not to enforce its COVID-19 intellectual property during the pandemic. Moreover, on September 29th, Moderna offered to resolve its dispute with NIAID by making the government co-owners of those patent applications that only listed Moderna scientists as inventors, including the right as co-owners to license the patents as they see fit.”

    According to the journal Nature, such an offer from Moderna to make the NIH scientists co-owners of the patent — rather than co-inventors — would be subject to negotiation and “could come with strings attached.” Collins said that the dispute would be something that “legal authorities” figure out.

    But Rohrbaugh said the disagreement reported in the Times relates to inventors listed on patent applications Moderna filed that cover the mRNA-1273 vaccine, not to ownership of the vaccine, as Beck’s claim implied.

    Mark Lemley, an intellectual property law scholar at Stanford Law School, rejected the idea that the government has “ulterior motives” in mandating the vaccine. “The government has paid billions of dollars to Moderna for the vaccine,” he said. “And it has not shown favoritism toward Moderna over the Pfizer vaccine, where there is no claim the government scientists were involved in the invention.”

    Another intellectual property expert, James Love, said that the United States does have some rights in the Moderna patented inventions already, including patents already licensed to Moderna by the NIH and patents, like this one, where the U.S. is challenging the decision by Moderna to exclude NIH employees as co-inventors, Love said.

    Love also rejected the idea that the government has an ulterior motive for mandating the vaccine. Love, director of Knowledge Ecology International, a nonprofit that works around the world to distribute knowledge resources in underserved places, said that the United States is spending billions of dollars to buy the vaccine from Moderna, and that it “spends more than it gets, by a big margin.”
     
    #44     Dec 15, 2021
  5. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    If the U.S. government wanted to game the stock market using individual stocks, there's a lot better ways to do it than this. It doesn't take an "intellectual property law scholar" nor an "intellectual property expert" to figure this out lol.

    Now China.... ha... they game our markets all the time. Rake in billions I'm sure. Easy as fishing in a barrel with a sieve-net.
     
    #45     Dec 15, 2021
  6. smallfil

    smallfil

    Bilderbergs could be part of a larger group of NWO globalists. We do not really know who is the big boss in all of this. This Corona Virus also, came out of nowhere. We already know they developed various ways to effectively, kill huge numbers of humans with sarin, nerve gasses, etc. in past. How hard would it be to create a deadly virus like Corona Virus? It could be one way to do it and also, enables the elites to strip us of our freedoms. They want the masses to be compliant and what better way when, they have scared enough of the masses to comply with whatever is asked of them? Hell, you have parents going out of their way to have their children, 5 and up being vaccinated willingly? There is already a bill in New York to enable them to arrest anyone who is not vaccinated to be deemed a public safety risk. It will give them the right to arrest you on the spot and lock you up.
     
    #46     Dec 15, 2021
  7. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    I was thinking the other day, about 70M lives were lost in WW2, and about 20M in WW1. The world's population is now 7.9B, I wonder what it would be now if those 2 wars had never occurred. Probably at least 25% more. In 1945 the population was about 2.2B.
    So a triple+ in 75 years.
    It took about 30 years to double post WW2.

    So what happens in the next 30-75 years.
    I don't think the Earth can support those numbers.
    Unless we figure out fusion.
     
    #47     Dec 15, 2021
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  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #48     Dec 26, 2021
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  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let' fact check the crap being pushed by Robert Malone..... an extreme spreader of anti-vax Covid misinformation. His videos are the kind of nonsense you find on disreputable sites such as Rumble.

    Dr Robert Malone Makes Inaccurate Claims About COVID-19 Shots In Video Experts say Dr Robert Malone's claims are inaccurate, and a physician from a leading children's hospital called the video "dangerously and flagrantly incorrect."

    https://www.boomlive.in/world/fake-news-robert-malone-covid-19-vaccine-harmful-children-16179

    A video viewed hundreds of thousands of times online features researcher Robert Malone making a series of claims about mRNA COVID-19 shots causing harm to children. But experts say the claims are inaccurate, and a physician from a leading children's hospital called the video "dangerously and flagrantly incorrect."

    Malone, an American researcher who in the late 1980s contributed to the development of mRNA vaccines, the technology used in the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna COVID-19 shots, describes himself as "the original inventor of mRNA vaccination." In reality, many other scientists have been involved in the process for decades.

    The video -- which has more than 500,000 views on Rumble, more than 110,000 views on 3Speak, and also appeared on Malone's Twitter account -- is circulating as COVID-19 cases surge in the United States, driven by Omicron, the most infectious variant seen to date.

    (Much more at above url)
     
    #49     Dec 27, 2021
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #50     Dec 27, 2021