Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    As a follow-up. Good Riddance.


    Parents Who Refused Vaxxed Blood Transfusion for Baby Lose Custody
    https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-z...nated-blood-transfusion-for-baby-lose-custody

    A sick baby boy has been placed into the temporary custody of health officials in New Zealand after his parents refused to allow him to have a life-saving procedure over fears that he might receive blood transfusions from donors vaccinated against COVID.

    The country’s High Court on Wednesday ruled that the infant—referred to in proceedings as Baby W—be placed under the guardianship of the court after his parents had sought a ruling that their child only receive blood from unvaccinated donors. The court instead ruled that the operation to correct the infant’s heart disorder was in his “best interest,” granting the temporary guardianship “until completion of his surgery and post-operative recovery.”

    Justice Ian Gault dismissed the request for unvaccinated blood as unnecessary and impractical but emphasized that the parents remain the child’s primary guardians, meaning doctors must keep them informed about the boy’s health and treatment.

    Read it at BBC
     
    #391     Dec 8, 2022
  2. Tsing Tao

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    #392     Dec 8, 2022
  3. Overnight

    Overnight

    Well Jesus, bitch, stop relying on governmental agencies, and just do your fucking job! If you see something, say something! Stop talking about papers that say "this page is intentionally left blank"! When I do my job, I do it to the best of my ability! If boss man wants me to do it a different way from that the best way is, I tell the boss to fuck off.

    Stop worrying about losing your precious license. You are either in it for the money, or the humanity. You cannot be in it for both.

    Pick your poison!
     
    #393     Dec 8, 2022
  4. easymon1

    easymon1

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    As you know, Jabs are not vaxes there, skyler. Do you have a good explanation why jabs are untested and going into baby arms? Geeber, bring some science with you when you give that a go sunshine. Like to get you and uncle wrb on record as to why that is a good idea, besides "an authority figure told me so, and so it must be true. Get back on the porch Gwb, lol! Say hi to your gramma while you hide behind her skirts.

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    #397     Dec 9, 2022
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    We have seen the deranged anti-vaxxers come out in recent days claiming every minor injury which occurred at the World Cup was due to Covid vaccines. With all their wild claims it is a wonder we have not seeing a player collapse and die in every single game. Of course, these demented anti-vax idiots also tried to claim that sports reporter, Grant Wahl, died from the Covid vaccine -- which is obviously false.

    Lets' see what the anti-vax Covid-denier clowns are claiming this week...


    Claim: Pfizer confirmed stiff-person syndrome is an adverse effect of the COVID-19 vaccine.
    No, Pfizer didn’t say stiff-person syndrome is an adverse effect of COVID-19 vaccine

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...-didnt-say-covid-vaccine-causes-stiff-person/
    • Medical experts say there’s no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines cause stiff-person syndrome. Scientists still don’t understand the neurological disorder’s cause.
    • The disorder appears on a list of adverse event reports in a 2021 document from Pfizer, but that isn’t the company conceding that the vaccine causes the disorder. Such reports can be unverified and are not evidence of a causal relationship between the COVID-19 vaccine and the health problems.
    Singer Celine Dion recently announced that she needed to reschedule her upcoming tour because she was struggling with a stiff-person syndrome diagnosis.

    The rare, progressive neurological disorder that affects one or two people per million can cause stiff muscles, spasms and more, and scientists don’t yet understand the disease’s cause.

    But some social media users suggested that a cause has been identified: COVID-19 vaccines.

    "You will never guess what’s in Pf**er’s own documents," reads text above a screenshot of a document that lists numerous illnesses alphabetically. "Stiff-person syndrome" is circled.

    An Instagram account sharing the image tagged Dion in the post.

    This post was flagged as part of Facebook’s efforts to combat false news and misinformation on its News Feed. (Read more about our partnership with Meta, which owns Facebook and Instagram.)

    The National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke says on its website that research suggests stiff-person syndrome is "the result of an autoimmune response gone awry in the brain and spinal cord." The disorder was first described in 1956, when it was named stiff man syndrome.

    Johns Hopkins Medicine has a "Stiff-Person Syndrome Center" at which it follows more people with this condition than anywhere else in the world, according to its site. "This means we have access to the latest knowledge in stiff person syndrome and can apply that insight to each patient," the site says.

    Dr. Scott Newsome, the center’s director, told Reuters, "There is no data or evidence to suggest that the COVID-19 vaccine causes stiff-person syndrome."

    Pfizer also told PolitiFact that it has identified no causal link between its COVID-19 vaccine and stiff-person syndrome. The screenshot in the Instagram post is part of a November 2021 document from Pfizer about analyzing adverse event reports through February 2021.

    "Stiff-person syndrome" appears in a list titled "Appendix 1. List of adverse events of special interest."

    It’s among nine pages of illnesses that are considered adverse events of special interest, which regulators want the company to look out for. But they aren’t necessarily adverse events that have been linked to COVID-19 vaccines.

    Pfizer also notes that reports of such adverse events may lack causal relationships. Such reports in the company’s safety database include cases reported by health authorities, published in medical literature and cases reported from clinical studies — all "regardless of causality assessment."

    It includes voluntary reports through national reporting systems like the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, a database that helps researchers collect data on vaccine aftereffects and has also fueled misinformation about COVID-19 vaccines. Anyone can submit a report to the reporting system; they’re not verified, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warns that they’re not enough to determine whether a vaccine causes a particular adverse event.

    Dion has not said or suggested that a COVID-19 vaccine is behind her illness or her changing tour schedule. And Pfizer hasn’t said that its COVID-19 vaccine causes stiff-person syndrome.

    We rate claims that the company confirmed it does False.

    RELATED: Baseless claims about COVID-19 vaccine paralysis and Celine Dion spread online

    Our Sources
    Instagram post, Dec. 10, 2022

    Celine Dion Instagram post, Dec. 8, 2022

    NBC News, Celine Dion has stiff-person syndrome, a one-in-a-million diagnosis. These are its symptoms, Dec. 8, 2022

    Pfizer, 5.3.6 CUMULATIVE ANALYSIS OF POST-AUTHORIZATION ADVERSE EVENT REPORTS OF PF-07302048 (BNT162B2) RECEIVED THROUGH 28-FEB-2021, November 2021

    PolitiFact, Federal VAERS database is a critical tool for researchers, but a breeding ground for misinformation, May 3, 2021

    PolitiFact, Baseless claims about COVID-19 vaccine paralysis and Celine Dion spread online, Nov. 29, 2021

    Reuters, Fact Check-Pages of suspected side effects released about Pfizer’s COVID-19 vaccine ‘may not have any causal relationship’ to the jab, company says, March 17, 2022

    National Institute of Neurological Disorders and Stroke, Stiff-Person Syndrome, visited Dec. 13, 2022

    Mayo Clinic, What is stiff-person syndrome?, Dec. 8, 2022

    Johns Hopkins Medicine, Conditions We Treat: Stiff Person Syndrome, visited Dec. 13, 2022

    PolitiFact, Fact Check-Following Reuters, Celine Dion’s diagnosis, experts say no evidence tying COVID-19 vaccines to Stiff Person Syndrome, Dec. 13, 2022

    StatPearls, Stiff Person Syndrome, July 18, 2022


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    #398     Dec 20, 2022
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Demented anti-vax Covid-deniers continue to push complete nonsense about blood transfusions as they push their "pure blood" narrative. It's amazing how every word coming out of the mouths of these idiots lacks any real science.

    Blood Transfusion Doesn’t Transfer COVID-19 Vaccine
    https://www.factcheck.org/2022/12/scicheck-blood-transfusion-doesnt-transfer-covid-19-vaccine/

    A blood transfusion from a vaccinated person doesn’t transfer the inoculation to an unvaccinated person. But high-profile purveyors of misinformation have been promoting the long-standing false claim that it does.


    Most people in the U.S. — about 80% — have gotten at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, and they’ve been able to donate blood since the vaccines first became available, according to guidance from the Food and Drug Administration.

    So it’s been almost two full years that blood from vaccinated donors has been used for transfusions, Dr. Roy Silverstein, chair of medicine at the Medical College of Wisconsin, Division of Hematology and Oncology, told us in a phone interview. “We’ve seen no evidence of any kind of safety concern,” he said.

    But anti-vaccine campaigners have recently focused on a claim that’s been lingering since the vaccines first became available — the unfounded idea that those who have not been vaccinated against COVID-19 have “clean blood” or “pure blood” and that it’s dangerous for them to receive a transfusion from someone who is vaccinated. The term “pure blood” has been embraced by at least one member of Congress, Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, who has a history of spreading vaccine misinformation.

    This theory has recently become a cause célèbre among major conspiracy theorists — including Alex Jones, David Icke and Stew Peters — since a couple in New Zealand has sought to delay heart surgery for their infant until the hospital agrees to use blood from an unvaccinated donor during the operation. A New Zealand court has now granted a temporary medical guardianship for the baby so that he can undergo the procedure.

    One post on Substack that’s a mash-up of two notorious purveyors of COVID-19 misinformation — Steve Kirsch and Dr. Ryan Cole — claims that because of COVID-19 vaccination, “The safety of the blood supply is unknown.”

    But Silverstein called the claim “patently false.”

    Doctors and organizations such as the Association for the Advancement of Blood & Biotherapies have been explaining for more than a year that concerns about blood from vaccinated individuals are unfounded. The AABB actually issued guidance to help doctors answer patient questions on the issue.

    Posts like the one from Kirsch and Cole — each of whom are associated with organizations that promote false claims about vaccination and collect monetary donations — are pandering to those who don’t want to believe science, Silverstein said.

    “People are trying to make money out of bad science, which is really disturbing to me,” he said, because it undermines the whole system.

    Blood used for transfusions in the U.S. is regulated by the FDA, which requires each unit of donated blood to be tested for infectious disease and requires donors to be screened.

    The vaccines that are available in the U.S. would not pose any risk of infecting either the recipient of the vaccine with the virus that causes COVID-19 or anyone who might receive a blood transfusion from that person, since none of the available vaccines use a live attenuated virus. Rather, they use just a small part of the virus — or provide instructions for cells to make such a fragment — to instruct the immune system on how to recognize it and fight infection.

    The most common type of COVID-19 vaccine used in the U.S. is an mRNA vaccine — the m stands for messenger — which is injected into the muscle. Cells read the RNA “instructions” to produce coronavirus spike proteins, which prompt the immune system to respond, including the production of protective antibodies.

    “There’s nothing that happens when you get vaccinated that doesn’t also happen when you get infected,” E. John Wherry, chair of the department of systems pharmacology and translational therapeutics and director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Institute for Immunology at the Perelman School of Medicine, told us in a phone interview.

    The immune response to the vaccine is really a subset of what your immune response following infection would be, he said, concluding, “There’s nothing really qualitatively different.”

    The onlyreal difference is that the vaccine causes a response targeted at the unique spike protein of the virus that causes COVID-19, whereas someone who had been infected would also produce antibodies that recognize other parts of the virus.

    The mRNA doesn’t last long after it’s done its job triggering an immune response, Wherry said.

    “We don’t see the mRNA sticking around, that’s for sure,” he said.

    Within days of vaccination, Silverstein said, “there’s no trace of any of the mRNA in the blood.”

    “If an unvaccinated person gets a blood transfusion from a vaccinated donor, the unvaccinated person does not become vaccinated,” Malia Jones, a public health researcher, explained in a post in March.

    “A vaccine contains extremely small amounts of both active & inactive ingredients which never enter our bloodstream in the same way as other medications like pain relievers, antibiotics, or antidepressants,” she wrote. “All the action comes from your own immune system.”

    So there’s no cause for concern about getting a blood transfusion from a vaccinated donor. As Silverstein pointed out, blood from vaccinated donors has been in the supply for almost two years with no health issues.

    But, as was noted early on by doctors who encountered hesitation from patients who didn’t want a transfusion from a vaccinated donor, much of the concern is based on now-entrenched beliefs in misinformation about vaccines.

    Purveyors of misinformation also continue to build on previous claims. For example, the post from Kirsch and Cole that claims the blood supply may be unsafe references the baseless claim that vaccines are causing unusual blood clots that are killing swaths of people. Both Kirsch and Cole were featured in a viral video posted in November called “Died Suddenly” that pushed that claim, which we’ve explained has no merit.

    Sources
    U.S. Food and Drug Administration. “Updated Information for Blood Establishments Regarding the COVID-19 Pandemic and Blood Donation.” 19 Jan 2021.

    Silverstein, Roy. Chair of medicine, Medical College of Wisconsin, Division of Hematology and Oncology. Telephone interview with FactCheck.org. 7 Dec 2022.

    Aleccia, JoNel. “‘Tainted’ Blood: Covid Skeptics Request Blood Transfusions From Unvaccinated Donors.” Kaiser Family Foundation. 17 Aug 2021.

    Corlett, Eva. “Parents refuse use of vaccinated blood in life-saving surgery on baby.” The Guardian. 30 Nov 2022.

    Jacobs, Jeremy, et al. “Refusing blood transfusions from COVID‐19‐vaccinated donors: are we repeating history?” British Journal of Haematology. 15 Sep 2021.

    Association for the Advancement of Blood & Biotherapies. “Vaccination and blood donation.” AABB.org. Accessed 12 Dec 2022.

    U.S. Food and Drug Administration. “Keeping Blood Transfusions Safe: FDA’s Multi-layered Protections for Donated Blood.” Updated 23 Mar 2018.

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. COVID-19 Vaccinations in the United States. Accessed 9 Dec 2022.

    Wherry, E. John. Chair, department of systems pharmacology and translational therapeutics and director of the University of Pennsylvania’s Institute for Immunology at the Perelman School of Medicine. Telephone interview with FactCheck.org. 12 Dec 2022.

    Jones, Malia. “If an unvaccinated person gets blood from a vaccinated person, will the vaccine transfer?” Dearpandemic.org. 29 Mar 2022.

    Hale Spencer, Saranac, Jessica McDonald and Catalina Jaramillo. “‘Died Suddenly’ Pushes Bogus Depopulation Theory.” FactCheck.org. 1 Dec 2022.
     
    #399     Dec 20, 2022
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    You do realize that many doctors and professionals who wanted to speak up were threatened with removal of their license to practice, right?
     
    #400     Dec 21, 2022