Holy shit... you challenge me and then say the exact same thing I just told you....the media and the leaders ignored what everyone knows about vaccines and said what ever fed their political objective. Remember the vaccine rolled out mainly after Biden took office so the media jumped all over it to prop up Biden BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” July 2021 Maddow: "Now we know that the vaccines work well enough that the virus stops with every vaccinated person," Maddow said on her show the evening of March 29, 2021. "A vaccinated person gets exposed to the virus, the virus does not infect them, the virus cannot then use that person to go anywhere else," she added with a shrug. "It cannot use a vaccinated person as a host to go get more people."
Are you claiming that there were many Covid fully vaccinated breakthrough infections prior to November 2021? The statements these leaders made were basically true at the time they were made. It was hard to find a fully vaccinated person who got infected in mid-2021.
That is just political bullshit with all due respect....polio vaccine administered in the 3 doses is effective and polio is pratically eliminated in the U.S. Worldwide I think there are less than 1000 cases. The vaccine roll out was 100% political and shame on the politicans and the sycophant media for pushing a message that was so clouded it caused people to probably not take it that should of. trump started it because he just wanted credit for it to win an election. It then continued into Biden. Rahter than let doctors educate the masses on a novel virus and an untested vaccine (yes, we can all agree it did not go through same testing as polio due to emergency and time constraints and rememebr this is not a vaccine but a DNA modifier....big difference), we had to have social media messages. there is no way any one on either side can be comfortable with the way a public health issue was politicized so badly as to cloud the proper medical advice and lead to more chaos and sickness then in countries like Japan or Malaysia where a coordinated un political effort was undertaken. Dont get me wrong, I took the vaccine as did my family based on my medical advice and I noticed the efficacy throughout my whole family and extended friends as to who suffered and who only had a bad day or two and I still have not had it officially (maybe I got COVID with no symptoms, will never know now). But I had to hear some wild bullshit even within my own circle of friends and fmaily from the anti vax to the "vax or we hate you" crowd. None of them are doctors.
Because you have no basis to say that except personal opinion. people who get the flu shot can still get the flu. People who were vaxxed early on protected themselves but it was not 100% shield against COVID like Biden and Maddow said.. Or you think they can say whatever they want?
By May 1, 2021 over 103 million people in the U.S. were fully vaccinated and by July 30, 2021 over 164 million people in the U.S. were fully vaccinated. The proven vaccinated breakthrough rate across tens of millions of people in the U.S. across 36 states was a mere 0.56% as outlined by the KFF data provided on July 30, 2021. Much lower than the 3% vaccinated breakthrough rate for measles in an environment where the disease is highly prevalent. Facts matter.
Wait... the CDC told people that if they were fully vaccinated they needed to wear masks, stay 6 feet apart, get tested if experiencing symptoms, refrain from quarantine if they have no symptoms, even if surrounded by vaxxed people... (March 2021) I went to events from April to June 2021 where you had to show your vax card to get in... yet social distancing and masks were enforced strictly.... Do you see how fucked up the message was? So vaccinated people who became infected either had no symptoms and never reported/quarantined or had symptoms and simply quarantined. Thus what is the reporting of breakthrough infections. ALso most people vaccinated Feb - May 2021 were either essential workers or people who were virtual stuck at home and it was impossible to get testing done. Let me ask you a question, if someone has the vaccine and has symptoms, they will quarantine themselves until they are smptom free. Did they call you up so that you count them? You miss the big point here consistently, I am not arguing against the vaccine... I am telling you the media and Biden himself decided to go out with a message that was bathed in bullshit and made the situation worse for those social media doctors spouting off their garbage. I have numerous family members who came down with symptoms and stayed home until they were symptom free after a HOME TEST....that is probably true for hundreds of thousands of people....no one records that. ALl you have to do is admit Biden fucked up when he said "If you are vaxxed you will not get Covid... that is what he said in june-July 2021...... dont give me variant bullshit....Biden should have known better.. he has a medical staff. Rachel Maddows and plenty at CNBC/CNN used their non medical degree to promote the vaccince when all they had to do was make an immunology argument. This is why people dont trust Fauci....Brix....Biden or numerous wannabee media doctors.
sorry Ocho, you're just engaging in your typical "enlightened centrism" instead of looking at the facts. The flu vaccine is highly effective against variants covered up to an x point in time, as are the COVID vaccines, mutations of a virus doesn't make those facts go away. FWIW: I think delivering the accurate statement of "vaccines are proving to be highly effective" as opposed to "these vaccines work now but may not next year" is a more responsible approach w/the highest likelihood of having takers.
No you are arguing with me whether vaccines can be 100% effective....which is not even an argument I made. You are creating the argument to suit your point of view. I am saying the sky is blue and you are citing me facts why the grass is green. I am telling you that the media and Joe Biden himself told the public that if you got the vaccine you wont get COVID and you just said to me above that it was bullshit to say that so you agree with me. Biden said it in July 2021 by the way so not sure why all this talk about prior to May 2021. BIDEN: “You’re not going to get COVID if you have these vaccinations.” July 2021 I never challenged the vaccines, I said that multiple times but you and GWB are so trained to fight haha...... you cannot even admit that Biden and Maddow and others basically said buyllshit to the public and simpyl changed their tune.
First let's outline that the federal government in the U.S. does not have the power to institute public health policies on masking, social distancing, and restrictions. Only states have that power. The CDC can only recommend what policies should be put into place. What we had in the U.S. was 50 different states (and some cities) with completely different policies. Remember that there were 5 states that never had masks, distancing or restrictions -- and were holding biker festivals at the peak of the pandemic. So -- of course -- the message was f@cked up as every state / community did their own thing -- much of it out of compliance with federal CDC guidance as any given time. The intent of requiring masks, social distancing, etc. at large events in early 2021 was that more than half of the country was still not vaccinated and there were some groups such as children who could not be vaccinated yet. Keep in mind that to get into concerts during this time typically you had to be vaccinated OR test negative within three days of the event in order to get in. Therefore some states still required masks, etc. At the federal level -- what was massively f@cked up was the Trump-appointed CDC administrators and his own administration constantly not backing staff recommendations and changing policies on whim as dictated by Trump's pronouncements. The chaos caused by these actions greatly undermined the public trust in the government in regards to public policies during the pandemic. It was not a Fauci / Brix problem -- they were desperately trying to guide an unhinged Trump administration who appointed covid-denier Scott Atlas to lead the efforts -- and Atlas with others totally undermined the national Covid response. At the beginning of the Covid pandemic many states and communities did contact tracing. They even created contact tracing apps. When you were ill with Covid your local public health department would call you up and validate you were staying home and what your condition was. Our local city of Durham did this in the first half of 2020 and was profiled for their good work in contacting people. However as Covid spread the ability of government entities to hire contact tracers and contact people got overwhelmed and the govern efforts stopped. I was vaccinated in February of 2021 as well as most of my neighbors in North Carolina. I am not an essential worker. I was in the 50 to 65 age group and this was my designated time. Most essential workers and the elderly were vaccinated in December of 20 or January of 21. Trying to claim that vaccinations in February to May of 2021 were limited mostly to essential workers or the infirm is simply not true. Especially when over 103 Million people were fully vaccinated in the U.S. by May 1, 2021. This is 1/3 of our population approx. Biden and the experts did exactly what they should have done. They went out and stated clearly that the Covid vaccines were safe and effective -- and everyone should get vaccinated. There is no reason for the leaders to pull out charts and go into an hour long explanation of the science stating the vaccines are only 93% effective but you still should get it -- which would only serve to confuse people. Keep in mind this was done in an environment where the MAGA crowd was slinging absurd bullshiat to undermine the vaccination effort. The message from our leaders needed to be simple and straight to the point. At the time Biden and others made these statements in 2021 -- the statements were basically true -- the Covid vaccine at that point was very effective at stopping transmission and infection with a vaccinated proven breakthrough rate of a mere 0.56% across tens of millions of people in the U.S. Yes, our national response was f@cked up -- in fact one of the worse in the world. We have over one million dead, a lack of a centralized federal policy on public health during pandemics, inadequate local health resources, and a host of other problems. However let's place this blame directly on who it belongs -- the Trump administration and the many Covid misinformation artists.
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