Fact Checking Covid-Denier Nonsense

Discussion in 'Politics' started by gwb-trading, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    So you disagree with the paper from October 31, 2020 which had some of the world's leading health officials and medical specialists as authors?


    Scientific consensus on the COVID-19 pandemic: we need to act now
    https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)32153-X/fulltext

    Are you claiming that the world should have just let Covid spread and let the death toll greatly increase by millions? Even before a vaccine was available. Because this is what the idiot John Tierney is pushing in his article.
     
    #141     May 10, 2022
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  2. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I just want to know if what he said about Walensky was true or not.

    Some fact check thread this is. Can't even answer a yes or no question.
     
    #142     May 10, 2022
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You are pushing posts on this fact check thread from an author who urges that Covid should be spread widely and be allowed to kill millions of more people. Do you somehow think this is proper public health policy? Do you even have a glimmering how outrageous this proposal to deliberately kill an enormous number of people is?
     
    #143     May 10, 2022
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Still can't answer yes or no. Just more "but but but..." questions of hysteria.

    Some fact checker!
     
    #144     May 10, 2022
  5. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Paging the fact checker. Fact checker to the checkout counter, please.

     
    #145     May 10, 2022
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Maybe you need to carefully read the the data again.
     
    #146     May 10, 2022
  7. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    More importantly, most of the outbreak of case counts is in the K-12 schools and Daycares. The timing of the face mask removal started around February 28th...about 2 weeks before the arrival of Omicron Variant BA.2.12.1

    Yet, the face mask wear became optional. I couldn't find any data on the % of students wearing their face mask in school. Yet, I do have a good friend that leaves in the most outbreak area of Colorado and he has children in K-12 schools.

    His kids told him that most of the kids do not wear their face mask in the cafeteria, hallways but many do wear their face mask in the classroom even though face mask is no longer required as of February 28th.
    • Also, he was shocked that me living in Canada would know more detailed data about the arrival of BA.2.12.1 in his state because it currently is not mentioned by the media except that case counts are increasing.
    Based upon the outbreaks in case counts and the locations of the outbreaks. It's safe to assume the infected kids have been infecting their parents that are not elderly.

    Now, to give you a perspective about the speed of the spread...in March 13th...BA.2.12.1 was only 0.44% of the case counts. Yet, by April 10th...BA.2.12.1 was now 14.10% of the case counts. More importantly, Omicron BA.2 was only 29.69% of the case counts but by April 10th the case counts rose to 76.21%.

    By April 10th, about 45% of the hospitalized patients were unvaccinated and 55% were vaccinated...but...

    Colorado-BA.2.12.1-March-13th-2022.png

    Colorado-BA.2.12.1-April-10th-2022.png

    Colorado-Covid-Outbreak-May-4th-2022.png

    Yeah, there's a but in there. Most of the hospitalized unvaccinated are less than 50 years of age. In contrast, most of the vaccinated that are hospitalized are people > 60 years of age and I'm going to assume they have comorbidities. The number of unvaccinated in the hospital has been increasing faster than the number of those vaccinated.

    Therefore, I'm going to assume something else, as the numbers of vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to increase in the hospital, the vaccinated elderly will get another vaccination shot to protect them better against BA.2.12.1
    • In contrast, the unvaccinated, a large % will remain unvaccinated. Thus, the hospitalized raw numbers should traverse from the vaccinated to more being unvaccinated.
    That would then imply removing mask mandates in the state and making them optional...the timing was horrible with the arrival of a new variant.

    Also, I don't have access to any data about how long (average) the vaccinated had their last vaccination dose involving the ones that are hospitalized.

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    The number of vaccinated vs. unvaccinated patients in Colorado hospitals is changing
    Before drawing any conclusions, the data needs context.
    Also, not mentioned in the above video is the Base Rate Fallacy. Thus, don't look at the raw numbers. Instead, look at the numbers from the context of the size of each group.

    For example, pretend 60 vaccinated hospitalized patients are from per 100k vaccinated people...the larger group of the population. In contrast, 50 unvaccinated hospitalized patients are per 50k unvaccinated people...the smaller group of the population.

    As they say in the video, a more Apple to Apple comparison, more unvaccinated people at a higher rate of hospitalization than the vaccinated.

    That's the full story...the context that Covidiots ignore.

    wrbtrader
     
    Last edited: May 10, 2022
    #147     May 10, 2022
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Vald - Désaccordé

     
    #148     May 10, 2022
  9. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Read it again. Still looking for a fact check.
     
    #149     May 11, 2022
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Fact check needed.

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    #150     May 11, 2022