Exp traders ... 5 Fatal Flaws of trading

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  1. There is. Few traders will come up with longterm, highly successful outperformance edges. I am talking positive expectancy, not psychology and feel good.

    Trading is negative sum (a lot of costs are taken out of the pot). And most of those who do have an edge will blow up with money management problems.

    Rules do not help a nonprofitable trader. Think someone who goes to the casino and plays roulette. Longterm, everyone loses except the casino. And of course, the tax authorities
     
    #11     Nov 14, 2009

  2. This was pretty much tripe. And he got the order wrong - above all else, risk/money management has to be first. Everything else is irrelevant until this is mastered.
     
    #12     Nov 15, 2009
  3. Another one I would add to this list is 'not having pressure to succeed'.

    When I was trading without another form of income, the pressure was very great, not to mention the fact that I was a noob.

    Now that I have an evening job pulling in over $40k, I have absolutely no pressure to succeed. Also, that goes hand in hand with patience. Now that Im' not relying on trading profits to live on, I find myself taking only the highest quality setups. Some days I won't even place a trade, and this has helped my winning percentage out substantially.
     
    #13     Nov 15, 2009

  4. Thanks TZ.

    Lot of meat in your post, so trying to understand .....

    Can you give me just one easy to understand example of an outperformance edge?

    & ..... isn't "money-management" simply = risk per trade, quantifiable as $200, $1,000 etc., that a fellow can easily understand, or is there more to this oft bandied phrase (that has given me a headache)?

    Thanks
     
    #14     Nov 15, 2009
  5. Positive expectancy is difficult if not impossible to quantify in the present/future tense. The more you understand what edge if any you have, the more likely you can adjust as the market shifts; otherwise, virtually all "non-structural" edges disappear over time.

    A simple example of an indisputable edge is information. Do you really think trading would be all that difficult if you had the same access to information as certain firms and hedge funds? Do you think it's possible that Goldman could have just one losing day out of an entire quarter -- if their concept of "trading" was the same as ours? Would you even consider what they do "trading", given all the bs we need to wade through as individuals in the dark?

    Do you think a typical trader at GS needs to struggle with the 5 fatal flaws? How about struggle to stop laughing while mashing scrota on a conveyor belt instead?
     
    #15     Nov 15, 2009
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    marketwizards Guest

    bad investment and trading advice. jesse livermore lost the most money listening and taking advise from professional morons.


     
    #16     Nov 15, 2009
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    marketwizards Guest

    I've lost the most money listening to professionals in the industry morons in the industry who claim to be professionals and hold jobs in investment brokerage houses.

     
    #17     Nov 15, 2009
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    marketwizards Guest

    The advice in this article is from professional working in the industry moron. Bad advice like this article or from morons can cost you money and your mental health.

     
    #18     Nov 15, 2009
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    marketwizards Guest

    last post in these moron message boards and financial websites. KISS.

     
    #19     Nov 15, 2009
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    #20     Nov 15, 2009
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