Excellent Talk About Covid

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Dec 13, 2020.

  1. The following story hits home because of my occupation, although I did not know the guy. We cannot let our guard down with Covid.

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    Alessandra Zaragoza hugs her great uncle Tommy Macias in 2017.
    (Danielle Lopez)
    By STEPHANIE LAI
    JULY 3, 2020
    9:58 AM
    LAKE ELSINORE, Calif. —
    After months of diligently isolating, truck driver Tommy Macias, 51, made one error that cost him his life. He went to a barbecue party with some friends.

    He didn’t know that someone who had tested positive for COVID-19, but showed no symptoms, also was there.



    “It was all preventable,” said Gustavo Lopez, Macias’ 52-year-old brother-in-law. “That person knew he had corona and still went. He should have known better, and that one mistake cost [Macias] his life.”

    More than 10 others who attended that gathering have tested positive for the coronavirus, Lopez said.

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    According to Macias’ family members, the Lake Elsinore man had practiced social distancing, limited his outside interactions and wore a mask whenever he went out. But as restrictions slowly lifted, the proud big rig driver who “could never sit still in his life” felt safe going out again.

    As first reported by the Valley News, Macias fell ill on June 15, but assumed it was caused by his diabetes. He then tested positive for COVID-19.

    Immediately, Lopez feared the worst.

    “Everyone knew it wasn’t going to end well,” he said. “There was a high probability he wasn’t going to make it.”




    A day before his death on June 21, Macias posted a warning on Facebook, urging people to wear a mask and practice social distancing. His final message was one of regret.

    “Because of my stupidity I put my mom and sisters and my family’s health in jeopardy,” the post reads. “Don’t be a ... idiot like me.”

    Macias’ 53-year-old sister, Norma Macias Norris, respected how her brother took full responsibility.

    “It’s just who he is. He wanted to make sure he didn’t want anybody to continue on with anger,” she said.

    At first, Macias seemed to be recovering during the week after he suddenly fell ill, which gave his family hope. But by that Sunday morning, he had taken a turn for the worse. He called his mother and his three sisters to say that he could not breathe.

    “I could hear it in his voice, he was terrified,” Macias Norris said.

    Macias Norris rushed to her brother’s home, just five minutes from her own, but was too late. The ambulance attendants had put him inside and shut the doors.

    She followed them to the hospital but was told she could not stay.

    “No one was allowed to be with him. All I wanted to do was sit by his bedside,” she said. “I spoke with him over the phone that day. He was heavily breathing and crying, but his last words to me were ‘I want to go home, Sis. I want to go home, Sis.’”

    In 10 hours, Macias was put on a ventilator to try to raise his oxygen intake.

    By 9 that night, Macias Norris received a call from the hospital with the news that her brother had died. The Riverside County coroner’s office confirmed Macias’ death was COVID-19-related.

    Macias’ niece, Danielle Lopez, 28, was devastated by the news. She hadn’t seen him in months, but frequently texted and called her uncle.

    She would never forget his “big booming laugh” that could be heard from across the house and his huge smile, she said. And in the days following his death, friends and extended family reached out to her offering to help because they knew Macias — who called them every week — would have done the same for them.

    At this time last year, Lopez said, she would spend afternoons barbecuing with her family or relaxing in a boat on Lake Elsinore.

    Lopez’s family in Mission Viejo was already preparing to move to the area to be closer to Macias.

    Macias Norris, who was excited to have her family come together a year after their father passed away, was heartbroken that her brother would not be around for it.

    “It’s going to be difficult driving these streets. The city just doesn’t feel the same anymore,” she said.
    https://www.latimes.com/california/...n-final-message-the-next-day-he-died-of-covid
     
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    #11     Dec 13, 2020
  2. wildchild

    wildchild

    Sorry asshole, you are wrong again.

    Based in the southern end of Greater Buenos Aires, Argentina, Eurnekian Public Hospital recently sponsored a clinical trial targeting COVID-19 called the IVERCAR study. The sponsor was joined by other local hospitals acting as trial site organizations. With study results in, the Argentinian group has discovered that while in the control group, 58% of the participants were infected with COVID-19 during the trial, but the intervention arm (carrageenan plus ivermectin) revealed that the compound’s virucidal effects can actually protect patients against SARS-CoV-2 and serve as a sort of prophylaxis. These study results follow up on other positive results out of another randomized controlled study out of Egypt published by TrialSite last week.
     
    #12     Dec 13, 2020
  3. Wallet

    Wallet

    It’s sad when anyone dies. Often times we can find ourselves suffering from apathy and a lack of empathy for others when we don’t personally know the victims, apologies if my post came off that way.

    Unfortunately Mr. Macias’ health problems put him at high risk.

    If you want to blame someone blame the guy who tested positive but still decided to inject himself into a social setting.

    That’s how both my wife and I got it. Someone who “knew” they were symptomatic but hadn’t been tested came into a social setting. Fortunately everyone he infected just had mild cases.

    I never said, don’t wear masks, don’t practice good hygiene, don’t social distance but the effort needs to be with some common sense and a much greater sense of personal responsibility. If you’re experiencing any type of cold/flu like symptoms - keep your sick butt away from people, period. It should have always been that way, but look at our advertising and work ethic before this..... people working going about just take your thera-flu or whatever to keep you going. We need to redefine our society’s self interests.

    If you’re high risk, stay away from people and get vaccinated. It’s always been that way. Nothing new. ( I would add, I’d hold out for the AstraZeneca version, traditional dead virus vs the new mRNA’s, need to see how these hold up in the population).

    And on the subject of vaccines, they need to start telling people the truth. There’s “zero” information or studies showing once your vaccinated that you can’t carry or still infect others, it just stops or lessens the chances of you getting really sick from Covid. So all this covid-pass, immunity cards are bullshit at this point. Everyone will still be wearing masks and social distancing for at least another year at best, until this thing burns itself out. More than likely, hopefully not, Covid embeds itself into society and we’re continually fighting it’s mutations.


    To the topic, people need to stop politicizing Covid. Covid tests are deeply flawed, you’re basically flipping a coin. A lot of people have died from the disease but I know without a doubt that there’s people in those figures who died from ongoing health problems and were labeled Covid because of a postmortem test.

    I’m sure asymptotic spread exists, but it’s like every flu bug out there, it’s contagious and next to impossible to contain in any social setting. If you’re going to be out there, be aware, don’t touch your face and wash your hands. If you’re feeling off, don’t go out, every one will understand and thank you.

    You’ll be happy when they do the same.
     
    #13     Dec 13, 2020
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  4. easymon1

    easymon1

    Yeah, but it must be expensive, or scarce and hard to get, or have bad side-effects.
    Where, how much?
     
    #14     Dec 13, 2020
  5. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    Ah fuck you are so dumb.. I'll explain tomorrow. The wife is binging that the Queen's Gambit series. Apparently she used to play, never bothered mentioning it in nearly six years and calling out the next move from the kitchen. Don't sorry about being dumb, even when smart, they're are much smarter people. Just try not to be dumb with other people's lives.
     
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    #15     Dec 13, 2020
  6. Exactly. The "vaccine" is not really a vaccine at all, it's more of a front loaded treatment. Here, take this, if you get infected you won't be so sick. Not a bad thing at all, but it's not a vaccine. The same can be said for proper nutrition, staying physically fit, take some vitamins, all will help strengthen your immune system which is all this pretend vaccine is going to do. Hopefully it works as advertised.
     
    #16     Dec 13, 2020
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  7. Wallet

    Wallet

    We’ve come along way on the learning curve with Covid, I wholeheartedly agree with the concept of personal health and building one’s immune system. The science is out there pointing in this direction, how the virus attacks the body and what we can do to naturally combat the virus. Example, Vitamin D deficiency is a huge factor in moderate to severe cases. Unfortunately our society is one of the unhealthiest on the planet, we’ve got a long way to go.

    The vaccine has it’s place but imo it won’t be the single cure for our battle against Covid.
     
    #17     Dec 13, 2020
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  8. Ayn Rand

    Ayn Rand

    China Covid Virus Vaccine - Things to consider

    1. The type of vaccine that will begin to be distributed for the China Covid Virus is different from any other vaccine ever used for large samples.

    a. Standard vaccine - protein vaccine - enters and stays in blood stream. Requires only 1 injection and injection is done once a year.
    b. China Covid Virus Vaccine - mRNA vaccine - injected into bloodstream and then actually has to enter your cells and then the mRNA uses nucleotides in the cell to manufacture DNA that is then extruded back into the blood stream for the body to develop antibodies. Requires 2 injections a few weeks apart. Not sure how long injections are effective. Some claim only 3 months. Nothing can go wrong here. Injecting material into your body that directs your DNA to produce something foreign

    2. Usually the effectiveness rate of a flu vaccine is 40%. Being stated that the effectiveness of the China Covid Virus vaccine is 90-95%. How is that possible?

    It should be worrisome that the technique being uses to produce the China Covid Virus Vaccine has never been used for large scale production of a vaccine - ever. It is also the only vaccine that actually enters your cells and uses nucleotides found there to produce foreign/novel DNA
     
    #18     Dec 13, 2020
  9. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    Lets put it this way, soon airlines, employment places, border crossings will require proof of vaccination.

    If someone doesn't have such or doesn't have a medical voucher that you're exempt (e.g. you have allergies)...you can not use those services via just saying I'm OK...not asymptomatic because I'm physically fit, take some vitamins and eat healthy.

    There's been some news about vaccination passports in the works now for the past few months but it'll most likely be more discussed by media, doctors and businesses / universities in early January.
    Simply, 2021 is going to be a very interesting year between health officials and those the debate about the freedoms. In fact, the anti-vaxxers are already spreading doom / conspiracies about such.

    wrbtrader
     
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    #19     Dec 13, 2020
  10. Wallet

    Wallet

    It’s all bullshit, just chipping away at liberty and personal freedoms. There’s zero proof that once you’re vaccinated you can’t carry or still transmit Covid. The vaccine only protects you, if it works as advertised.
     
    #20     Dec 13, 2020
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