Ok, hold on a second. It isn't an abuse of power. I know you want to scream at me and call me a police apologist, but just grant me a moment of explanation. The move to subdue is clearly part of the training doctrine that police are given. In fact, the department in Sarasota actually states this: One technique is to restrain someone on the ground face-down, but officers are taught to press a part of the lower leg, such as the shin or top of the ankle, across the shoulders or the back. In some cases officers will “hog-tie” suspects’ legs to prevent flight or violent resistance. Now, before you start shouting about the neck being pressed, confrontation is fluid and physical altercations don't exactly allow for precise application of technique. I'm just going from extensive grappling and aiki-jujutsu technique experience. You try to implement a technique, and there is slippage if you don't get it precisely where you want. The point is, officers across the nation are clearly being given direction to apply a submission tactic to apply in certain situations. This doesn't constitute an "abuse of power". Its just training they are given. New York Police used to use choke holds to subdue suspects until they choked Garner and it was determined this was a leading cause in his death. So what happened? The New York Police Department, for example, says in its policies manual in bold capitals that officers “SHALL NOT” use chokeholds and should “avoid actions which may result in chest compression, such as sitting, kneeling, or standing on a subject’s chest or back, thereby reducing the subject’s ability to breathe.” This is a relatively new training doctrine. I'm sure, should the Minneapolis Police survive this time, their training doctrine will be altered to remove the knee as a method to subdue. The fact is, how many times has this technique been applied without incident? Probably many, many times. Doesn't mean it should be used, just means that its a tool. It isn't a tool for police officers to abuse power. Abuse of power is a conscious and continuous decision. Sitting on a suspect while driving your knee into a man's throat for 7 continuous minutes while he is clearly subdued and being choked? CLEAR abuse of power. Wrestling with a suspect and kneeling on his back to keep him down as your knee slips to push his neck into the ground? Fluid physical confrontation, applied official training doctrine. We can argue whether the training doctrine needs to be revised, and I think you'd have solid ground on this argument. But there's no abuse of power. The cop needs to subdue the suspect, and he's doing the best he can with the training he was given. Here is the complete aerial video on the encounter. It is long. Physical confrontation begins at 5:55, and around 7:10, suspect begins clearly resisting arrest. Officers on scene are two, one male and one female. Suspect has one friend in immediate vicinity. At 8:00 mark, suspect is forced to the ground with great effort. Suspect continues to resist arrest as third officer (male) joins the scene and manages potential threats to the officer external to the altercation - as is STANDARD doctrine. While difficult to tell completely from this angle, force is applied to the back neck area of the suspect for ONLY as much time as is required to subdue and completely handcuff/isolate him. After that, force is released. Suspect is on the ground for 2 minutes and 44 seconds. The technique to apply force to the back of his neck was used for a fraction of this time, and while optically not the best choice to employ, was tactically the best choice to employ. At no time was the individual at risk of suffocation with this technique (you can't suffocate in less than 1 minute of partial air constriction) Saw complaints from the suspect that he had a bad back. Well, then don't resist arrest! I ask you - where is the abuse of power in this video? When does it occur and where is it?
No offense man, but this isn't the topic on this thread. We're trying to see if we can come to consensus on what is and is not racism, and then what happens when that line is pushed too far. I'd rather not draw anyone off on a tangent if we can manage it.
Euclid’s first common notion, things that are equal to the same thing are equal to each other. If A is equal to B and C is equal to B, then A and C are equal. If white people have a certain outcome in the justice system and black people do not, then white and black people are not equal in the justice system.
Is this where we come to with the Race Mob? Antifa releases a list of demands after taking over 6 blocks of Seattle? Antifa Releases List of Demands After Taking Over 6 Square Block Section in Seattle and Setting Up Armed Security Watch — List Includes Reparations and Ending Police Dept. Here are the list of "demands" from this group we were told "is not a terror group" but a group of "peaceful protesters". Via Medium: Given the historical moment, we’ll begin with our demands pertaining to the Justice System. The Seattle Police Department and attached court system are beyond reform. We do not request reform, we demand abolition. We demand that the Seattle Council and the Mayor defund and abolish the Seattle Police Department and the attached Criminal Justice Apparatus. This means 100% of funding, including existing pensions for Seattle Police. At an equal level of priority we also demand that the city disallow the operations of ICE in the city of Seattle. In the transitionary period between now and the dismantlement of the Seattle Police Department, we demand that the use of armed force be banned entirely. No guns, no batons, no riot shields, no chemical weapons, especially against those exercising their First Amendment right as Americans to protest. We demand an end to the school-to-prison pipeline and the abolition of youth jails. Get kids out of prison, get cops out of schools. We also demand that the new youth prison being built in Seattle currently be repurposed. We demand that not the City government, nor the State government, but that the Federal government launch a full-scale investigation into past and current cases of police brutality in Seattle and Washington, as well as the re-opening of all closed cases reported to the Office of Police Accountability. In particular, we demand that cases particular to Seattle and Washington be reopened where no justice has been served, namely the cases of Iosia Faletogo, Damarius Butts, Isaiah Obet, Tommy Le, Shaun Fuhr, and Charleena Lyles. We demand reparations for victims of police brutality, in a form to be determined. We demand that the City of Seattle make the names of officers involved in police brutality a matter of public record. Anonymity should not even be a privilege in public service. We demand a retrial of all People in Color currently serving a prison sentence for violent crime, by a jury of their peers in their community. We demand decriminalization of the acts of protest, and amnesty for protestors generally, but specifically those involved in what has been termed “The George Floyd Rebellion” against the terrorist cell that previously occupied this area known as the Seattle Police Department. This includes the immediate release of all protestors currently being held in prison after the arrests made at 11th and Pine on Sunday night and early Saturday morning June 7th and 8th, and any other protesters arrested in the past two weeks of the uprising, the name Evan Hreha in particular comes to mind who filmed Seattle police macing a young girl and is now in jail. We demand that the City of Seattle and the State Government release any prisoner currently serving time for a marijuana-related offense and expunge the related conviction. We demand the City of Seattle and State Government release any prisoner currently serving time just for resisting arrest if there are no other related charges, and that those convictions should also be expunged. We demand that prisoners currently serving time be given the full and unrestricted right to vote, and for Washington State to pass legislation specifically breaking from Federal law that prevents felons from being able to vote. We demand an end to prosecutorial immunity for police officers in the time between now and the dissolution of the SPD and extant justice system. We demand the abolition of imprisonment, generally speaking, but especially the abolition of both youth prisons and privately-owned, for-profit prisons. We demand in replacement of the current criminal justice system the creation of restorative/transformative accountability programs as a replacement for imprisonment. We demand autonomy be given to the people to create localized anti-crime systems. We demand that the Seattle Police Department, between now and the time of its abolition in the near future, empty its “lost and found” and return property owned by denizens of the city. We demand justice for those who have been sexually harassed or abused by the Seattle Police Department or prison guards in the state of Washington. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that each and every SPD officer turn on their body cameras, and that the body camera video of all Seattle police should be a matter of easily accessible public record. We demand that the funding previously used for Seattle Police be redirected into: A) Socialized Health and Medicine for the City of Seattle. B) Free public housing, because housing is a right, not a privilege. C) Public education, to decrease the average class size in city schools and increase teacher salary. D) Naturalization services for immigrants to the United States living here undocumented. (We demand they be called “undocumented” because no person is illegal.) E) General community development. Parks, etc. We also have economic demands that must be addressed. We demand the de-gentrification of Seattle, starting with rent control. We demand the restoration of city funding for arts and culture to re-establish the once-rich local cultural identity of Seattle. We demand free college for the people of the state of Washington, due to the overwhelming effect that education has on economic success, and the correlated overwhelming impact of poverty on people of color, as a form of reparations for the treatment of Black people in this state and country. We demand that between now and the abolition of the SPD that Seattle Police be prohibited from performing “homeless sweeps” that displace and disturb our homeless neighbors, and on equal footing we demand an end to all evictions. We demand a decentralized election process to give the citizens of Seattle a greater ability to select candidates for public office such that we are not forced to choose at the poll between equally undesirable options. There are multiple systems and policies in place which make it impractical at best for working-class people to run for public office, all of which must go, starting with any fees associated with applying to run for public office. Related to economic demands, we also have demands pertaining to what we would formally call “Health and Human Services.” We demand the hospitals and care facilities of Seattle employ black doctors and nurses specifically to help care for black patients. We demand the people of Seattle seek out and proudly support Black-owned businesses. Your money is our power and sustainability. We demand that the city create an entirely separate system staffed by mental health experts to respond to 911 calls pertaining to mental health crises, and insist that all involved in such a program be put through thorough, rigorous training in conflict de-escalation. Finally, let us now address our demands regarding the education system in the City of Seattle and State of Washington. We demand that the history of Black and Native Americans be given a significantly greater focus in the Washington State education curriculum. We demand that thorough anti-bias training become a legal requirement for all jobs in the education system, as well as in the medical profession and in mass media. We demand the City of Seattle and State of Washington remove any and all monuments dedicated to historical figures of the Confederacy, whose treasonous attempts to build an America with slavery as a permanent fixture were an affront to the human race.
University President about to lose his job for supporting "Cancel Culture"... Wichita State president’s job on line as former board member says cancellation of Ivanka Trump speech puts Koch money at risk https://www.marketwatch.com/story/w...ump-speech-puts-koch-money-at-risk-2020-06-10 Some donors are pushing the state higher education board in Kansas to fire Wichita State University’s president after he canceled a virtual speech by Ivanka Trump for its technical school’s graduation. The Kansas Board of Regents scheduled a special meeting Wednesday to discuss what it called “personnel matters.” Its staff did not say more, but the meeting comes only two days after a former board member from Wichita said the regents should ask for President Jay Golden’s resignation. Golden canceled Trump’s speech after students and faculty protested. Students staged an impromptu rally Wednesday to support Golden. Steve Clark, the former regent seeking Golden’s ouster, sent a letter Monday to board members saying Golden’s decision to cancel the speech by President Donald Trump’s daughter threatens a multimillion-dollar relationship with Koch Industries, the vast conglomerate led by billionaire and conservative political donor Charles Koch, the Wichita Eagle reports. A Koch Industries spokeswoman said Wednesday that financial commitments to the university are being honored and that it doesn’t tie funding to university employment actions. Clark is the chairman and CEO of a Wichita investment firm who served as chairman of search committees for both Golden and his predecessor, John Bardo. Golden became president in January, after Bardo died in March 2019. Clark told the regents that officials from Koch Industries and several longtime donors and supporters are “very upset and quite vocal in their decisions to disavow any further support.” He said canceling Trump’s speech damaged the school’s reputation with some high-profile donors. “These relationships can only be restored by Dr. Golden’s departure,” he wrote the regents. “I would strongly encourage you not to let this linger.” Steve Feilmeier, Koch Industries’ executive vice president and chief financial officer, said he’s been asked to serve on the Wichita State Foundation board and how the speech controversy is resolved will “weigh heavily” on his decision. The university has said Koch Industries and its associated foundations have spent or pledged to spend more than $15 million there in the past seven years. Company spokeswoman Jessica Koehn said it respects “the university’s independence” in making employment decisions. But she also said Koch Industries believes canceling speakers “cuts off the chance to engage, debate, and criticize.” Wichita State has 14,000 students, including some 3,000 at its technical school, and is home to a national institute on aviation research. Parts of Wichita and its suburbs are politically conservative, and Donald Trump carried the county in 2016 by 18 percentage points. Ivanka Trump visited WSU Tech last fall to promote its training programs. The university announced Thursday that she would give a virtual speech for WSU Tech’s graduation and canceled it hours later after a professor’s open letter of protest garnered nearly 500 signatures. Days earlier, police under federal command in Washington used tear gas to force back a peaceful protests of George Floyd’s death in Minneapolis while detained by police. The police action allowed the president to walk to a church near the White House and pose with a Bible, accompanied by his daughter. The president also threatened to use the military to quell violence. WSU Tech President Sheree Utash later apologized, calling the timing of the announcement of Ivanka Trump’s speech “insensitive.” Golden has said that the university is committed to diversity and that he canceled the speech to avoid a distraction from celebrating the students. Ivanka Trump responded by tweeting a link to her remarks and saying universities should be “bastions of free speech.” “Cancel culture and viewpoint discrimination are antithetical to academia,” she said. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, a former Wichita-area congressman, called the cancellation “shameful,” adding in a statement: “The losers here are freedom of thought, the students, and the central idea of universities as places of tolerance and learning.”
Not to worry, Antifa is recruiting right now for people to run the reeducation camps. He's perfect for the job.
People concerned about racism in the United States (whether or not it is systemic as some claim) should be speaking out when people who are part of the movement take an active role in defacing statues of people who fought for decades to get rid of slavery.