Ex Dutch Prime Minister: USA is a rogue state

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TigerO, Apr 26, 2004.

  1. BSAM

    BSAM


    Veeeery well stated, ppp! And who really gives a s%*t what the former Dutch prime minister thinks?
     
    #11     Apr 27, 2004
  2. TigerO

    TigerO

    What he is thinking is probably what 80% of the civilized world thinks about the US and its counter productive Iraq war of aggression and corruption based on nothing but spin, lies and deceit, a war that has tremendously promoted international terror.

    Of course, no one has to worry about that as long as they don't mind fighting their own little dirty wars themselves, paying for em, too, and promoting international terror.

    Brits fed up with Blair:

    OfficialPoll: 79% say Blair should go now
    Blair may go after referendum, says former Labour leader

    http://www.officialspin.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=1448

    Spain is gone, Honduras is gone, The Dominican Republic is out, Norway is out, the Polish President is already complaining that he was taken for a ride by Bush about the alleged threat emanating from Iraq.

    And the exodus will nicely continue as long as Bush is in office, the prime promoter of international terror.

    Survey: 75 percent want Slovak soldiers out of Iraq
    THE MAJORITY of Slovaks are in favour of withdrawing Slovak troops from Iraq, a new survey showed.

    http://www.slovakspectator.sk/clanok.asp?rub=online&cl=15874

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    #12     Apr 27, 2004
  3. Be careful not to say this in a dutchman's face..

    Tiki
     
    #13     Apr 27, 2004
  4. Beware of the comedy: the pro-war and anti-war movements are both controlled by the medias ! This is the usual thesis-antithesis methods to propose the synthesis they want after that. You don't believe it ?

    See
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26291
    "ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT, Part 1"
    http://www.skolnicksreport.com/awm1.html

    "As the Founder/Chairman of our investigation group, devoted to the public interest, I tried my best to alert the public to the fakers selected and installed by funding and orders of the American CIA, as the supposed "leaders" of the An ti-Viet Nam War activists, called by some, "The Peace Movement". They were clearly fake then. Are there such NOW? "

    "ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT, Part 2"
    http://www.skolnicksreport.com/awm2.html

    "ANTI-WAR MOVEMENT, Part 3"
    http://www.skolnicksreport.com/awm3.html

    or
    [article] "Anti-war slogan coined, repurposed and Googlewashed... in 42 days"
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26291&highlight=pacifist

    and
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24336
    For many years the Rockefeller Dynasty has bankrolled the Union Theological Seminary of New York, which has done so much to turn the clergy towards state socialism fascism, and to destroy the tenets of traditional Christianity. The highly influential seminary is known for turning out " Christian-Communists.

    The family's chief religious philanthropy for a number of years was the notorious Federal Council of Churches, which was pronounced by US Naval Intelligence in 1936 as one of the most dangerous, subversive organizations in the country. According to Naval Intelligence:

    It is <font color=red>a large radical -pacifist- organization</font>, and probably represents 20,000,000 Protestants in the United States. However, <font color=red>its leadership consists of a small group which dictates its policies</font>, . It is always extremely active in any matters against national defense.

    In its many official pronouncements, the Federal Council attacked free enterprise, capitalism and the American way of life, and boldly advocated Socialism. In an official report in 1932,the Federal Council stated:

    " The Christian ideal calls for hearty support of a planned economic system.... It demands that cooperation shall replace competition as a fundamental method."
     
    #14     Apr 27, 2004
  5. The same Dutchmen who cowered in the corner waiting for the Americans to save them when the huns were at their door? I'd be more afraid of a windmill.
     
    #15     Apr 27, 2004
  6. Only time the americans 'saved' us was WWII. But yeah the same dutchmen who, together with the spaniards you also seem to dislike for pulling out of iraq, basically laid the groundworks of your beloved america :)

    Tiki
     
    #16     Apr 27, 2004
  7. That's just pure bullshit, Rowenwood. I've met plenty of really stupid Jews in my time. In fact, I've met a lot of stupid Christians, Latinos, African-Americans, Anglo-Saxons, etc.

    My point is that if you think being Jewish puts you above everyone else, then you are in dire need of education.
     
    #17     Apr 27, 2004
  8. Tiki, I actually don't dislike Europeans (except the loathsome French). Rather, I find it irksome to have to read such vitriolic anti-Americanism from our erstwhile friends across the pond despite all we did for Europe in the last century and all we continue to do in this one as the only nation, together with the brave Brits, willing to defend civilization from the latest global scourge.

    But we are a great and magnanimous people. So I have no doubt that, despite such incomprehensible and shameful ingratitude, we will not hesitate to come to your defense the next time you ask for it. And make no mistake. That time will come.
     
    #18     Apr 27, 2004
  9. I dont hold anything against americans, either, I do disagree with the war on iraq but that was not the issue here.

    Just warning you; dont compare a dutchman to a german in his face ;)

    Tiki
     
    #19     Apr 27, 2004
  10. msfe

    msfe

    apart from a few negligeable exceptions in the extreme South (Maastricht area) the Netherlands were liberated not by Americans ... but by Canadian, British, Polish, French, Belgian armed forces.

    excerpt from

    Victims of Circumstance:
    The Execution of German Deserters by
    Surrendered German Troops Under Canadian
    Control in Amsterdam, May 1945


    Chris Madsen


    ... On 1 December 1954, Prime Minister Winston Churchill clarified, in the British House of Commons, the situation at the end of the war: "No trouble could in any case have arisen with the Soviets unless they had continued their advance to a point at which they forced the breaking out of a new war between Russia and her Western allies . . . we should certainly in that case rearm the German prisoners in our hands."86 Churchill and other important officials in the British government remained distrustful of Soviet intentions; again and again, the Russians appeared to disregard the terms of the Yalta Agreement. Thus, in Churchill's view, surrendered German troops, kept in existing German military formations, represented a safe card for the British position. In the event of new hostilities, vanquished German units and British military forces would have combined against an offensive Red Army.87 Thus, the two and half million German prisoners of war in Commonwealth hands represented a huge strategic reserve. Montgomery, directed by Churchill, gave "a "stand still" order regarding the destruction of German weapons and equipment, in case they might be needed by the Western Allies for any reason."88 Canadian military formations, under the strategic command of Montgomery, shared in these arrangements. On 4 June 1945, the First Canadian Army directed Blaskowitz to reorganize and consolidate units within the Twenty-Fifth German Army. ...

    http://www.wlu.ca/~wwwmsds/vol2n1circumstancemasden.htm
     
    #20     Apr 27, 2004