Evolution debunked in 1 paragraph.

Discussion in 'Politics' started by peilthetraveler, Jun 19, 2011.

  1. stu

    stu

    You're right with nothing to contribute but that kind of cheap shot insult, you do display a haughty arrogant self righteous condescending mentality.

    It’s not my fault the facts and the science to do with evolution, abiogenesis and universes from nothing get under your skin.
    Blaming the messenger like you do is just infantile.
     
    #821     Aug 4, 2011
  2. Betapeg

    Betapeg

    You're certainly free to be as ignorant as you want about the fact of your evolution.
     
    #822     Aug 4, 2011
  3. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    They don't get under my skin, they're just hard to believe especially since they haven't been observed.
     
    #823     Aug 4, 2011
  4. Betapeg

    Betapeg

    Do forensic scientists have to witness a murder to know there was a murder and who did it? No, they have evidence to deduce a murder occurred and who perpetrated it. They observe indirectly through the evidence. So this argument "especially since they haven't been observed" is invalid.
     
    #824     Aug 4, 2011
  5. Lucrum

    Lucrum

    Evidence can has has been misinterpreted by fallible humans before.
    So your argument about my argument is invalid.
     
    #825     Aug 4, 2011
  6. Betapeg

    Betapeg

    'Multiverse' theory suggested by microwave background

    By Jason Palmer
    Science and technology reporter, BBC News

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    The idea that other universes - as well as our own - lie within "bubbles" of space and time has received a boost.
    Studies of the low-temperature glow left from the Big Bang suggest that several of these "bubble universes" may have left marks on our own.

    This "multiverse" idea is popular in modern physics, but experimental tests have been hard to come by.

    The preliminary work, to be published in Physical Review D, will be firmed up using data from the Planck telescope.

    For now, the team has worked with seven years' worth of data from the Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, which measures in minute detail the cosmic microwave background (CMB) - the faint glow left from our Universe's formation.
    'Mind-blowing'

    The theory that invokes these bubble universes - a theory formally called "eternal inflation" - holds that such universes are popping into and out of existence and colliding all the time, with the space between them rapidly expanding - meaning that they are forever out of reach of one another.

    But Hiranya Peiris, a cosmologist at University College London, and her colleagues have now worked out that when these universes are created adjacent to our own, they may leave a characteristic pattern in the CMB.

    "I'd heard about this 'multiverse' for years and years, and I never took it seriously because I thought it's not testable," Dr Peiris told BBC News. "I was just amazed by the idea that you can test for all these other universes out there - it's just mind-blowing."

    Dr Peiris' team first proposed these disc-shaped signatures in the CMB in a paper published in Physical Review Letters, and the new work fleshes out the idea, putting numbers to how many bubble universes we may be able to see now.

    Crucially, they used a computer program that looked for these discs automatically - reducing the chance that one of the collaborators would see the expected shape in the data when it was not in fact there.

    The program found four particular areas that look likely to be signatures of the bubble universes - where the bubbles were 10 times more likely than the standard theory to explain the variations that the team saw in the CMB.

    However, Dr Peiris stressed that the four regions were "not at a high statistical significance" - that more data would be needed to be assured of the existence of the "multiverse".

    "Finding just four patches is not necessarily going to give you a good probability on the full sky," she explained to BBC News. "That's not statistically strong enough to either rule it out or to say that there is a collision."

    Dr Peiris said that data from the Planck telescope - a next-generation space telescope designed to study the CMB with far greater sensitivity - would put the idea on a firmer footing, or refute it. However, the data from Planck cannot be discussed publicly before January 2013.

    George Efstathiou, director of the Kavli Institute of Cosmology at the University of Cambridge, called the work "the first serious attempt to search for something like this... from the methodology point of view it's interesting".

    He noted that the theories that invoked the multiverse were fraught with problems, because they dealt in so many intangible or immeasurable quantities.

    "My own personal view is that it will need new physics to solve this problem," he told BBC News. "But just because there are profound theory difficulties doesn't mean one shouldn't take the picture seriously."

    Dr Peiris said that even if these bubble universes were confirmed, we could never learn anything further about them.
    "It would be wonderful to be able to go outside our bubble, but it's not going to be possible," she explained.

    "They're born close together - that's when the collision happens - and this same inflation happens between the bubbles. They're being hurled apart and space-time is expanding faster than light between them."

    But Professor Efstathiou said the search was inherently worth it. He explained: "It would be a pretty amazing thing to show that we have actually made physical contact in another universe. It's a long shot, but it would be very profound for physics."
     
    #826     Aug 4, 2011
  7. stu

    stu

    That's pretty much the same argument Flat Earthers use. It's just hard to believe in globes since they haven't been observed.
    Flat discs are.

    So when all that fallible human knowledge, fact and evidence explains how things look ,walk, and quack like a duck, in the way a Flat Earther does, you rely on fallible human imagination to say it's not a duck and with no similar evidentiary values, just insist it's an unexplainable imaginary magic pseudo 'Creator'?
     
    #827     Aug 4, 2011
  8. Betapeg

    Betapeg

    So? What's your point? That THIS time, they're wrong? That's utterly ridiculous. The mass of scientists over generations since the late 1800's, over many scientific disciplines, with enormous amounts of experimental data gathered over 150 years, from around the world, are all delusional...but not you of course. You're the objective one!! [​IMG]

    No, it isn't. You say evolution is invalid because nobody has observed its occurrence. I'm making clear to you, that we are currently observing it happen, and through circumstantial evidence, indirectly observed it through the last 3-4 billion years.
     
    #828     Aug 4, 2011
  9. Wallet

    Wallet

    I could possibly buy into the fact that species evolve inside their own kind, but I cannot buy into the fact that man evolved from ape, nor can I concede that "life" let alone the entire universe generated itself from nothingness.

    Throw up all the "theories" you want, creationism (point to a specific god of your choosing or not) is a better conclusion than self generation
     
    #829     Aug 4, 2011
  10. Betapeg

    Betapeg

    Why not?

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    #830     Aug 4, 2011