Why can't you just talk in everyday language? What you're really saying here is that one should get their past lives channeled and if one can go back far enough, then the individual will realize his true, pristine initial state. You don't want to just say that, because you know how it would be received. Nobody wants to hear they're a sinner. But whose going to believe they're a saint?!?
You are temporarily misguided in this assessment which squeezes through the filters in your mind like meat out of a meat grinder. You have the Light, in which you can make a better assessment. But you are not looking within as yet. No need for hand-me-down wisdom. Your enlightenment is inevitable, thanks to the Light within, which you currently hide under a bushel of erroneous thoughts. I am inviting you to a banquet of wisdom to save you time. The universe is not really evil, because it is what the Son of God wished for and received. It is the answer to the question, "What if everything was different from my reality?". The world is essentially the incorrect answer to the question, "What am I?" Now you know what you are not. Let us be thankful for this. Assessments like, "pure gnosticism" do not serve you. It is a narrow filter, a gauntlet, through which you require the truth to pass. When you do this, you simply distort the truth. Crucifixion is an extreme statement that the body does not matter. This is not an invitation to punish the body. All who would punish the body are insane. And if you think my body was punished by my Father for you, you must be insane. I did not punish my body. Something happened to it. Whatever happened was relatively painless, because I am of an innocent mind. I already said, an innocent mind cannot suffer. The body is part of the mind...a strange anomaly...a whole "new" level that is not part of the Son's mind as His Father created it. Jesus
This is the real question. If history can be used as a guide, then we can be pretty sure that by appealing to "other sources/methodologies" for things science cannot explain today, we stop making progress. How did people explain flooding 1000 years ago? How do people explain flooding today? How did people explain lightening 1000 years ago? How do people explain lightening today?
Actually, I think a better argument on your part would be that perhaps a branch of String Theory will prove to be correct and it will necessitate universes with a certain proclivity towards heavy-element-producing universes or something along those lines. In other words, maybe there is some inherent bias in the prob dist of the constants, etc.
Actually, let me be more direct: if you want to verify the supernatural why not test it directly? Or why not study the works of some of the researchers? Of course, I think a lot of it is on the Dark Side as I mentioned. But what I'm really asking is: why assume that the supernatural does not exist and then never try to reach it? If you really are an agnostic, then what do you have to lose? Only more truth, right? And from there we could, of course, go to Pascal's Wager, but I'll stop short. I'm trying to understand where you're coming from because you seem hostile to supernatural explanations most of the time and yet you say you're open to it?
Johnny, You've got to come up with some basis for making all these outlandish claims, esp. on a science thread. You can't claim to be Buddha, Jesus and whoever else all rolled into one w/o at least a little evidence. Did you just wake up one morning and say, "I'm omniscient today! Wow! That's cool" Or were you listening to George Harrison and an epiphay hit you? Or did someone channel that you were God's gift to mankind? Or did it happen in an OOB when you realized you were incarnate? Seriously
Shoe: >And from there we could, of course, go to Pascal's >Wager, but I'll stop short. Of course you will, 'cause your smart enough to know that that Pascal thingy is a logical abortion. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal's_Wager (see "criticisms" section) JB
Shoe, Johnny used to have some mildly interesting things to say until he got off on his Jesus fantasy. He's become a major bore since that day. JB
Naw. I've explained this before in various ways. It's just now getting through your filters the way you require I tell it. It's not required you remember each episode in what amounts to one "life" punctuated by many chapters in which each death is merely a period. It is required that you remember what came before all the so-called death. I am explaining the way to remember without channeling episodes in which you have merely accumulated experiences, beliefs, and grievances. Yes, if you went back far enough through the oxymoron "past lives", you would find a pristine initial state. That is the state in which you were created. That is God's true creation. Everything since is what you have made of yourself, of your own freewill, so-to-speak. The initial state does not change, regardless of intervening circumstances. Circumstances seem to transform the "saint" into a "sinner". This is an impossible task, despite appearances. The former is reality, the latter is an illusion within time. I am explaining how it is impossible, so you can remember what came before the universe of time and the wandering of bodies through it. Since circa 30 A.D. [the year of me] I've been telling all those with ears to hear that they are saints. If you believed me, you would believe this. But alas, who's going to believe they are a saint?!? Given enough time, all will come to believe me. And this is because the Light within will prevail against the "gates of hell"...just to put it in everyday language. Sin is the denial of reality. It gives rise to seriously-insane-notions. The notions give rise to form, which is all your eyeballs can see...all they were designed to see. Your eyes are actually seeing notions [ie. thought] taken seriously [ie. faith], which are insane [ie. a denial of reality]. There isn't anything they can see that actually means anything to reality. Armpit hair, pubic hair...these are fantastic [read: unreal] notions taken seriously [read: highly valued among individual meaning-givers]. Whatever form anything takes, it is still thought, and each form is a symbol of a notion. If you indulge in "sin", your reality will morph into a form that can seem to die. And this is because your reality is life eternal. It cannot even appear to die. So a "form" must replace it which seems capable of dying. By this definition, all men are "sinners". Or rather, they are the effect of sin in the mind of their maker. So they act kind of crazy. That is to be expected. They literally "know not what they do". What I have been explaining, regardless of how it is received, is that these are all just appearances, which mean nothing to God. God sees only the "saint" because he knows only reality. Perhaps you think that for the Son of God to morph into men and women is not so crazy. After all, look at Shakira. That's not so crazy, right? But then, consider this short list for everything else he has morphed into...within his imagination: Lizards. Serpents. Spiders. Crocodiles. Bats. Scorpions. Piranha. Stingrays. Tyrannosaurus-rex whatever. Various trannies. Lions, tigers, bears. Octopus. Shellfish. Bacteria. Flies. Mosquito. Locust. Viruses. Amoeba. Trees. Everything Darwin ever studied. Dirt. Sulfur. Fire. Radiation. And don't forget stones. The Son of God is everything. But the crazy list above is everything wearing a mask. Is this the kind of masquerade party you want to stay at past midnight? Behind all the masks is the Light. It is the same Light for all, despite the appearance of differences...despite the appearance of s-i-n. This list appears as a result of a denial of reality. And all on the list are doomed to "die" and/or become extinct. Everything is attacking everything all the time. Nothing "lives" but that something else must "die". And this is where there is no difference between any form. This is not exactly "safe and sane". But those who value such insanity are inclined to call it "wonderful", "mother nature", "life cycle", "God's green earth"...anything but "hell". But does it change the Light? No! Does it change God's true creation? No! Does it change God's knowledge about his Son? No! Does it make the Son guilty? No! Does it destroy the Son? No! This world is set up to mock and kill the Son of God. But God is not mocked. It shall all pass away. It has passed away...you just don't realize it yet. Jesus
I will make a short list of what may be termed "evidence", a couple of which you have already mentioned, but have interpreted not in your best interest. Consider these to be cracks in the devils facade...little cracks between the scales where the wacko underbelly of the beast is exposed for you to see and interpret. The list is short because the entire structure is designed to block out any evidence that it is a complete farce. But it is a list you may be willing to consider evidence at this point in your process of letting the Light through. Don't confuse these with "proof". A. Deja-vu B. Dreams, lucid dreams C. OOB D. NDE E. Reincarnation, past lives Interpretations: A. Your entire existence in a body is scripted. No matter what choices you seem to make, you are still fulfilling one script or another, all of which are already written. You will act out those scripts in minute detail. Therefore you, as a body, are really just an automaton, thinking you are unique, spontaneous and special, only to find out later that your actions and experiences are completely predictable. This means you are really not free. The opposite of freedom is slavery. And this is because you are attempting to serve "two masters"...two thought systems that are polar opposites. One system is free, the other is not. So there is the appearance of freedom masking slavery. B. Dreams inform you that you are able to conjure all kinds of bodily scenarios and experiences, all of which you take very seriously and seem quite real, while you are asleep. Clearly, these come from your own imagination, yet they appear to be spontaneously happening to you. Finally, none of them really make much sense. Likewise, what you term "waking hours" is, if you are able to extrapolate the similarities, also a dream. It seems more real only by comparison. But that is just a trick to make the waking dream seem more real. It is not any more real than the silly dream you had last night. The persistence and continuity do not change the fact that it is all just a dream. Notice that nothing about "real life" makes much more sense than in any particular dream, when it is examined objectively. This means you are "asleep". You will awaken, and that will be your "resurrection". The world is taking place within your mind. It seems to be happening to you. You take it seriously. It seems real. Not! It's still an insignificant dream. It means nothing. And so you are not guilty. C. OOB show you that the body is not at all "you". Then what is if for? Self-deception and limitation for ignorance-based experiential purposes. That is all. What seems to float out of the body is also not "you". That it also a limitation for ignorance-based experiences. Yet, you can use the experience to learn if you interpret the signs in your best interest. D. Same. Some of them contain "lessons" for "you" to learn. These generally correspond with your readiness for more truth. If you are not ready for truth, the experience will be nebulous. How you interpret the lessons determines what you learn. E. There is no death. There are just periods in a story of death. So death is an illusion. Death is a "sin"...a seriously insane notion...the denial of reality. Nothing really dies. It just appears to die. What God creates cannot be killed. The Son of God cannot be killed. Open your eyes and see. Jesus