Evil Oil Speculators

Discussion in 'Commodity Futures' started by oldtime, Mar 6, 2012.

  1. Maybe they should rein in that nut, Netanyahoo and the craven Neocons who never sacrifice themselves, but send others to march & die for their ambitions.
     
    #21     Mar 29, 2012
  2. What is a craven Neocon? If there is a lot of them does that mean CL is going higher?
     
    #22     Mar 29, 2012
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    I'm still waiting for some politician besides Ron Paul to stand up and say "if you have a problem with oil prices, get the Federal Reserve to stop printing money."
     
    #23     Mar 29, 2012
  4. 10 cents a gallon if dimes were still silver

    If I knew back then what I know today, I would never have to work another day in my life just on what I collected from my paper route when I was 7 years old
     
    #24     Mar 29, 2012
  5. back then you had to ride your bicycle down to a meeting place every Saturday morning and pay your bill.

    The typical bill was about $12.50.

    Whenever somebody paid me with a 50 cent piece I put it in a special pocket. (This was back before Kennedy's) I think they were something called liberties.

    at any rate, when I had 25 I knew all the rest was profit.

    One Friday the supervisor called me at home and said, "You aren't going to pay your bill in all 50 cent pieces again are you? It really messes me up. Why can't you just pay it in dollars like everybody else does?"
     
    #25     Mar 29, 2012
  6. Obama would get my vote if the next time he is bitching about oil prices he differentiates between manipulators (GS) and speculators. Then the media would be forced to explain at nauseum what he means.

    Actually I think I'm going to write myself in when I vote or if I knew who piezone was in real life I would vote for him.

    By the way did anyone watch Fareed Zakaria's special on how to fix health care? Obama needs to hire this guy.

    http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/category/health/
     
    #26     Mar 29, 2012
  7. Why There Should Be More Oil Speculation, Not Less
    http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,1909756,00.html

    "We need more — not fewer — oil traders. After a roller-coaster ride that has sent oil prices from a record high of $147 per bbl. last July to below $35 in December and back to around $60, there has been a clamor to clamp down on speculators — those investors who trade oil but don't ultimately supply it or use it (the way airlines do, for instance). The economic disruption caused by oil's volatility has been so vexing that the Obama Administration believes it can stabilize prices by regulating speculators out of the market. It can't. "


     
    #27     Apr 7, 2012

  8. Boudreaux: Don't curse the oil speculators
    http://www.newsday.com/opinion/oped/boudreaux-don-t-curse-the-oil-speculators-1.3645329

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    Nothing sparks spasms of poor economic commentary like rising oil prices. From left to right, pundits and politicians outdo each other at accusing evildoers of hurting good people. This week, a Democratic congressional committee held a hearing on the issue of high gas prices and excessive oil speculation.

    Speculators are easy targets. They seem to produce nothing. They merely buy and sell and hope for prices to move in directions that will bless them with big profits.

    In fact, though, speculators also bless the rest of us with significant benefits -- although too few Americans understand this truth.

    Speculators should be celebrated -- not so much for their motives (which are no better or worse than normal) but for the socially beneficial, if largely invisible, consequences of their activities. Speculation makes resources more abundant when there is great scarcity by encouraging people to use those resources more sparingly when there is relative abundance.

    Suppose a village on the west side of a mountain range has an unusually good wheat harvest, but a village on the east side loses most of its crop to drought. Everyone agrees that wheat should be shipped from where it's relatively abundant to where it's in short supply. Commerce and market prices ensure that such shipments occur.

    Wheat prices in the drought-stricken east village will be high, while prices in the village with the good harvest will be low. So merchants will buy wheat on the cheap in the west -- causing its price there to rise -- and ship it to the east village, where it will be sold at a profit.

    It's true that these merchants are motivated by self-interest. No matter. They perform the beneficial task of distributing supplies more equally and sensibly. Because of the merchants' profit-seeking response to the difference in prices between the two villages, people who need wheat less urgently are encouraged by higher prices to use less of it, so that people who need wheat more urgently get what they need. Surely this result deserves applause.

    Speculators perform the very same task. The only difference is that, with speculation, people who need resources more urgently are separated from people who need them less urgently not by a physical barrier, but by time.

    Speculators who anticipate that oil will be in shorter supply tomorrow than today can profit by buying oil today and selling it tomorrow. Oil is transported across time from today (when it's relatively abundant) to tomorrow (when it will be less so). Barrels of oil that would, without speculation, have been used today when they aren't so desperately needed are, with speculation, conserved for use tomorrow when they will be more desperately needed. Surely this result deserves applause.

    Speculators do cause oil prices today to rise -- but these higher prices merely reflect the reality that oil supplies tomorrow are expected to shrink (if, for example, tensions continue to rise in the Middle East). Over the time span that includes today as well as tomorrow, oil has become more scarce. By understanding this, speculators drive up prices today, thus encouraging us to use oil more sparingly today. And that conserves more oil for tomorrow.

    Today's higher prices not only prompt us to conserve more, they also prompt oil producers to intensify efforts to supply more. Oil deposits that are unprofitable to exploit at lower prices become profitable to exploit at higher prices.

    Speculators might, of course, err. They're human. But such errors are kept to a minimum because when speculators err they wind up buying high and selling low. The wish to avoid such losses, and to earn profits, keeps speculators ever on the lookout for opportunities to transfer resources from times when they're unusually abundant to times when they are unusually scarce.

    And surely this result deserves applause.
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    #28     Apr 7, 2012
  9. Exhiibit A - Boudreaux: Don't curse the oil speculators

    Exhibit B: - Nothing sparks spasms of poor economic commentary like rising oil prices.

    B proves A

    Next............:cool: .........:D
     
    #29     Apr 7, 2012
  10. http://in.mobile.reuters.com/article/innovationNews/idINBRE83417D20120405

    "
    Deals
    Oil hedge fund BlueGold to liquidate

    Fri, Apr 06 02:13 AM IST

    By Joshua Schneyer and Barani Krishnan

    (Reuters) - BlueGold Capital, an oil-focused fund that made headlines in 2008 by calling the peak of the market, is liquidating after four years of trading -- the last of which put it at the bottom of commodity hedge fund rankings.

    BlueGold is conducting an "orderly closure" of its business and expects to return about 98 percent of investor capital before the end of the year, the London-based fund said in a letter to investors on Thursday, a copy of which was obtained by Reuters.

    It did not give a reason for its closure. A person who answered the phone at BlueGold's London office declined comment.

    BlueGold was one of the worst performers among commodity hedge funds last year, industry data gathered by Reuters shows. It lost 35 percent through 2011 and its asset base shrunk to about $1.2 billion from $2 billion a year a before.

    The fund was co-founded by former Vitol oil trader Pierre Andurand, who made his mark with a more than 200 percent gain in 2008 as other rival funds suffered.


    "
     
    #30     Apr 8, 2012