Evidences that support the reliability of the Bible

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  1. Wallet

    Wallet

    One Biblical commentator from whom I have learned much, Chuck Missler, Chuck went to be with the Lord a couple of years ago. He was a Scientist, Engineer, Naval Grad, Captain, Businessman, list goes on, and one of “the” best commentators on Biblical prophecy and the Bible overall.

    If you’re seeking proof of Divine authorship in scripture, here’s your source.

    Chuck and his wife founded Koinonia House. All his material is there for purchase. He graciously shared many of his audio series with Blue letter Bible. You’ll find them in the study section under audio sources.

    I’d encourage you to check them out.

    Regards.
    https://chuckmissler.com/
    https://www.khouse.org/
    https://www.blueletterbible.org/
     
    #101     Sep 30, 2020
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  2. Thanks! I'm a little bit familiar with his stuff, had some friends that used to talk about him all the time, so I know of him and some of what he taught because of them.

    I'm sorry to hear he is now in heaven. I'm happy for him though. :)

    I will definitely check out some of his stuff!!
     
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  3. Gaussian wrote: A far, far different field than archeology and as far as I can tell has not published any archeological research in a peer reviewed journal. So I'm left to question Moller's ability to properly conduct archeological research. This is important because bad archeological research is worse than none at all.

    Just want to let you know that I now also believe his research was not properly conducted.
     
    #103     Sep 30, 2020
  4. I made an edit to the first post on this thread explaining that the claim of finding a golden wheel at the bottom of the Red Sea was a hoax.

    I felt really betrayed when I found that out.

    However, there are scholars who believe there is some evidence backing the Israelites living in Egypt and sudden departure from there.

    David Rohl is one of those scholars. Interestingly, he is an agnostic. He treats the Bible as a history book and has done much research on the Israelites in Egypt and the Exodus.

    I’m not sure if I agree with all of his interpretations and his timeline, but he does present a good case for the Exodus in his books and when appearing in the documentary Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus.
    http://davidrohl.blogspot.com/2012/01/about-david-rohl.html

    With degrees in Egyptology, Ancient History, Mycenaean Archaeology and Levantine Archaeology, Rohl is a genuine scholar with a full list of academic credentials, but, at the same time, is seen as a highly original thinker. The Kirkus Review called his best-selling first book ‘a ground breaking analysis of archaeological evidence for the historicity of the early books of the Old Testament … a work with profound implications for both Biblical and Egyptian history … a breathtaking archaeological tour de force.’​


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Chronology_(Rohl) has a lot of information on David Rohl’s work.

    Patterns of Evidence Trailer


    Patterns of Evidence review:
    https://www.icr.org/article/encore-presentation-patterns-evidence


    Patterns of Evidence: The Exodus discusses many interesting archaeological artifacts and site excavations that can be interpreted as supporting the biblical account. I really enjoyed watching it. It is free to watch on tubitv:

    https://tubitv.com/movies/500738/patterns_of_evidence_exodus


    00:29:00 David Rohl discussed 12 tombs that could belong to Joseph and his brothers as well as a possible statue of Joseph


    00:31:00 Dr. Charles Aling, Egyptologist, University of Northwestern, St. Pau, discusses the likelihood of the statue being of Joseph


    00:40:00 What could have been Joseph’s tomb was empty, which corresponds with the biblical account that the Israelites took his body with them in the Exodus


    00:50:00 Discussion about an egyptian papyrus from the 13th Dynasty, the middle kingdom, called the “Brooklyn Document” naming asiatic slaves. Some of those names are the same as Hebrew names also found in the Bible.


    01:05:00 “Admonitions of an Egyptian Sage” - similarities between an ancient Egyption document and the 10 plagues (01:13:00 date of Middle Kingdom is given for document)


    01:21:30 David Rohl discusses evidence of rapid burial and sudden abandonment


    01:23:00 Egyptian tradition that God smote the Egyptians before they were conquered. Hyskos were likely the conquerors.


    01:30:00 Summary of evidence of Jericho


    01:37:00 Archaeological report detailing evidence of houses matching the description of Rahab’s house.


    01:50:00 Timeline


    Excerpt from an interview with David Rohl:
    https://popular-archaeology.com/article/the-exodus-myth-or-history/

    Question 6: So basically, if we look several centuries further back in time from the reign of Ramesses everything begins to fit together?​

    David Rohl: That is not quite the right way to see it. Ramesses II’s dates are now lower, shifting down by three centuries. He is now a king of the tenth century BC and therefore a contemporary of Solomon (whose dates have not shifted). It is then interesting to discover that Ramesses had a hypocoristicon or short-form of his name used throughout Canaan. He was called Shisha … does that remind you of a certain pharaoh who plundered the Temple of Solomon in 925 BC?​

    Looking further back in time, the biblical Exodus date of 1447 BC now falls in what Egyptologists call the Second Intermediate Period, which is the archaeological period known as the Middle Bronze IIA-IIB. It was at this time that we find a huge city, lying underneath the 19th Dynasty capital of Pi Ramesse (biblical Raamses), known in the contemporary texts as Avaris. And this Middle Bronze Age city, located in the land of Goshen, was teaming with Semites who had initially migrated from Canaan into the Egyptian delta. They then abruptly abandon the city and disappear. About half a century later the city of Jericho is violently destroyed, its walls falling down in an apparent earthquake. Jericho is then burnt to the ground and abandoned for nearly 600 years. All the cities described in the Book of Joshua as being ‘placed under the curse of destruction’ are also destroyed at this time.
     
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    #104     Sep 30, 2020
  5. stu

    stu

    That is how that golden wheel at the bottom of the Red Sea or a Noah's Arc are "found", but obviously not how archaeology works.

    Definitive archaeological evidence that supports the Bible is in reality, non-existent.

    Despite digging up the whole of the Middle East and scouring records from all over the world, real archaeological evidence for things like the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt, or the Hebrew slaves, or even David or Solomon or even Jesus for that matter, simply doesn't exist. Nothing. Nada. No archeology, no established historical events, no writing, no records anywhere that support Biblical stories being anything other than fiction.

    The arguments you present by David Rohl and the corresponding Patterns of Evidence video are tantamount to saying, that because there really are Princes, pumpkins, white mice and Bibles, and if some circumstances surrounding those things are changed, and if well established historical chronologies are changed, then archaeological evidence could, possibly, might be interpreted to show Cinderella happened at the same time Jesus is supposed to have.

    I'd just stick to Bible is true 'cause Bible is true if I were you. At least it is unreasoning blind religious faith which has an air of understandable gullibility about it, rather than all that dissembling in trying to turn the Bible into something other than what is. Fiction.
     
    #105     Oct 2, 2020
  6. jason84

    jason84

    Hey Studentofthemarkets. I thank you for posting this.

    Here are a couple proofs of God's existence I have noticed.

    The universe moves with mathematical accuracy since the beginning of time.

    The universe was at one time the size of a coin. The Big Bang. How can that be explained except that the universe is one giant miracle?

    Countless other miracles.
     
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  7. Thanks for mentioning proofs of God's existence.

    Here’s a 5 minute video about math and God which lays out the following argument:


    Mathematical Argument for the Existence of God:
    1. If God does not exist, the applicability of mathematics is just a happy coincidence.
    2. But the applicability of mathematics is NOT just a happy coincidence.
    3. Therefore, God exists.





    “You are worthy, O Lord, To receive glory and honor and power; For You created all things, And by Your will they exist and were created.” Revelation 4:11 ESV
     
    #107     Oct 3, 2020
  8. stu

    stu

    If whoever made up that argument is not delusional then they may as well take the word out of the dictionary.
    It would be much more normal for an awful argument like that to cause disbelief in its conclusion.
    Possibly why few people believe in Odin anymore.
    1. If Odin does not exist, the applicability of mathematics is just a happy coincidence.
    2. But the applicability of mathematics is NOT just a happy coincidence.
    3. Therefore, Odin exists.
    Math is 'NOT just a happy coincidence' it's man made. Math is a fabricated modeling system. God, a fabricated cop out.

    The "applicability of mathematics" happens because humans invented math to both apply and happen, devising it as a means to best symbolize observations of the physical universe. Equations formed with math are structured, developed, modified and evolve to represent the observed world, while God was devised as a stand-in for ignorance.

    God is the nice warm feeling from pissing your pants. Math is knowledge of how and why pissed pants go uncomfortably cold.
     
    #108     Oct 3, 2020
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    stu

     
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