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Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jun 16, 2015.

  1. 375 top scientists warn of 'real, serious, immediate' climate threat
    375 National Academy of Sciences members sign an open letter expressing frustration at political inaction on climate change


    Yesterday, 375 of the world’s top scientists, including 30 Nobel Prize winners, published an open letter regarding climate change. In the letter, the scientists report that the evidence is clear: humans are causing climate change. We are now observing climate change and its affect across the globe. The seas are rising, the oceans are warming, the lower atmosphere is warming, the land is warming, ice is melting, rainfall patterns are changing and the ocean is becoming more acidic.

    These facts are incontrovertible. No reputable scientist disputes them. It is the truth.

    Despite these facts, the letter reports that the US presidential campaign has seen claims that the earth isn’t warming, or it is only a natural warming, or that climate change is a hoax. These claims are false. The claims are made by politicians or real estate developers with no scientific experience. These people who deny the reality of climate change are not scientists.

    These claims aren’t new. We see them every election cycle. In fact, for the Republican Party, they are a virtual litmus test for electability. It is terribly sad that the party of Lincoln (the president who initiated the National Academy of Sciences) has been rebuked by the National Academy today. It is sad that the party of Teddy Roosevelt, who created the National Park System, is acting in a way antithetical to his legacy. It is also sad that the party of Nixon, who created the Environmental Protection Agency, now is trying to eliminate that very organization.

    What is perhaps most sad is that the party of “fiscal conservatism” is leading us on a path that will result in higher economic and social costs for all of us.

    What we don’t know is what the future will bring. Will the warming be gradual or sudden? Will ocean rise increase at a faster rate or not? Will we continue to see major ice shelf collapse? Increased droughts and heat waves? Will we be able to adapt?

    A rational decision maker would take action to manage the risks from climate change. This threat is to our health, our communities, and our economies. A changing climate with warming seas and an acidifying ocean will cause real economic losses for our generation and for the future.

    In the letter, the scientists venture deeper into politics than scientists are generally willing to tread. They describe the inane Republican platform and the foolish position of the Republican nominee Donald Trump. Basically, Trump wishes to scrap our environmental agreements, which have resulted in reductions to our own emissions as well as very strong agreements to reduce global warming through international agreements.

    Despite the excellent work over the past 7 years, we have not seen the increase in energy prices that the denialists claimed would occur. Instead, we’ve seen huge reductions in the cost of wind, solar, and other renewable energy sources.

    We were right, they were wrong. We can deliver reliable energy to the USA at a low cost, with less pollution.

    We scientists have warned the country and the world about the dangers of climate change for decades. We are now seeing our predictions come true. There are no longer any reputable scientists who disagree that humans are the major factor changing the climate.

    We have also seen that real action can be taken to reduce pollution. That action will not hurt our economy, rather it has built the new energy economy of the future.

    Despite this progress, some people want to take us backwards in time – they want to undo our progress. For those who vote in anti-science politicians who attack the scientific experts rather than our pollution problem, your legacy will be the climate change that you could have helped prevent. Those voters will own climate change.

    What will that conversation be like with your kids?


    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...warn-of-real-serious-immediate-climate-threat



    If for this reason alone, Trump can never be allowed to become president of the US.
     
    #1871     Sep 21, 2016
  2. jem

    jem

    We were taking about 10 scientists not political bodies stating man made co2 causes warming.
    that was organizations in 2009.

    Fraudcurrents letter from yesterday is closer but as I said I agree man could be causing some warming..

    That is still not scientists stating man made co2 causes warming.

    Seriously if they are willing to point out the basics that co2 can trap heat... why don't they show us the science saying man made co2 causes warming. This is a tough question since we know co2 trails change in ocean warming and cooling and we know co2 can also cause cooling.







     
    #1872     Sep 21, 2016

  3. They do show you the science saying man made co2 causes warming you fucking idiot troll.
     
    #1873     Sep 21, 2016
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So you still have no scientific evidence that man-made CO2 causes global warming, eh?
     
    #1874     Sep 21, 2016

  5. You're still an idiot troll huh?
     
    #1875     Sep 21, 2016
  6. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Still have no scientific evidence of your assertions, eh?

    You are going to look like an idiot in 2040 when the world struggles with natural cycle global cooling.
     
    #1876     Sep 21, 2016

  7. Yes every science org in the world and every climatologist believes it but there is no evidence. You are truly an idiot. Even dumber than the average Trumper turd.
     
    #1877     Sep 21, 2016
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yet you can not provide a single shred of scientific evidence.

    You only continually and endlessly re-post a list of scientific organizations that survive on grants from politicians for their funding as "evidence".

    Sadly you even fail to realize that over a third of the organizations on your "list" have stepped away from their endorsement of AGW after their members revolted against their stance.
     
    #1878     Sep 21, 2016

  9. Yes every climate scientist and science org on earth is saying it's true because of funding. Do even realize just how fucking stupid you sound? Waaay dumber than the average dumb Trumper. And that's saying something. You're like sheep with a lobotomy.

    I actually feel dumb just responding to your stupid trolling.
     
    #1879     Sep 21, 2016
  10. nitro

    nitro

    Seriously, can anything stop futurecurrents?

    Paris Climate Deal Passes Milestone as 20 More Nations Sign On



    [​IMG]© Jason Decrow/Associated Press Ban Ki-moon, secretary general of the United Nations, spoke about the Paris climate agreement on Wednesday at the General Assembly.

    UNITED NATIONS — More than 20 world leaders tendered legal documents on Wednesday, formally binding their governments to the Paris climate accord at a General Assembly ceremony here and all but ensuring that the agreement will go into force by the end of the year.

    The specifics of each country’s plans, though, are voluntary. There are no sanctions for failing to control pollution or to put economic polices into practice, or for submitting unambitious pledges.

    The legally binding portion of the Paris accord does little more than require governments to continue to convene at high-profile global climate summit meetings, make public pledges to tackle global warming at home and submit those plans to be published on a United Nations website.

    The ultimate importance of the climate accord will be determined by its members.

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    “If enough countries start implementing the Paris agreement, historians will see this as a watershed moment,” said Erik Solheim, director of the United Nations environment program. “But if we don’t implement it, this will just be bringing a bunch of politicians together around a piece of paper.”

    In total, 60 countries representing 48 percent of global planet-warming emissions have now legally bound themselves to the Paris accord. The deal goes into legal force when at least 55 countries representing 55 percent of global emissions sign on. At Wednesday’s ceremony, leaders of countries representing at least an additional 12 percent of global emissions pledged to submit their legal documents by the end of this year. If they follow through, the pact will take effect.

    “What once seemed impossible now appears inevitable,” said Ban Ki-moon, the United Nations secretary general, who will step down from his position at the end of the year.
    ...

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...20-more-nations-sign-on/ar-BBwteUR?li=BBnb7Kz
     
    #1880     Sep 21, 2016
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