Even the Pope sides with Futurecurrents

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Jun 16, 2015.


  1. And electricity generation is not the only source of CO2 emissions you idiot.


    Bust yes, no need for cap a trade. An escalating carbon tax is the way to go.
     
    #1571     May 25, 2016
  2. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Do you want republican presidents perpetually until the end of time?

    Why do you hate poor people?

    Do you have shit for brains?
     
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    #1572     May 25, 2016
  3. jem

    jem

    He sells a greenhouse gas 2000 times more powerful than co2 for a living. He is that new fashion in pre-fascist circles... a limousine green democrat. Like gore. like di caprio. advocating legislating others liberties away to make up for their private jets and really large carbon footprints.

     
    #1573     May 25, 2016
  4. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    You would fail an elementary school level reading comprehension test.
     
    #1574     May 25, 2016
  5. The reef, one of the largest living things on earth, has started to fail. Whether it can recover is unclear. An organism roughly the size of Germany is bleaching to death. More than 90 percent of the reef that Flannery saw had suffered. Bleaching occurs when excessive heat and sunlight cause the algae that give coral reefs their shimmering colors to create toxins.

    The toxins repel the tiny animals called polyps essential to the ecosystem of the corals. As my colleague Michelle Innis put it, “When heat stress continues, they starve to death.” Because the coral reefs support vast fish stocks, the livelihoods — sometimes the very survival — of countless people depend on them.

    The causes of this disaster are clear enough. The impact of rising water temperatures caused by climate change was compounded by the El Niño cycle and by an underwater heat wave. This year, in a survey of 520 reefs that form the northern section of the Great Barrier Reef, scientists found only four free of bleaching. About 620 miles of previously pristine reef had been affected.

    “I knew there was bleaching but not to this degree,” Flannery told me. “For me, it was almost like watching my father die, seeing his organism slowly shut down.”

    Besides having the world’s largest coral reef, Australia also is the world’s fourth largest coal producer. Coal-fired power plants provide about a third of the nation’s energy, and coal exports to China, Japan, South Korea and India bring in billions of dollars annually. The country has been described as “Asia’s quarry.” But of course the coal plants, some old, are spewing carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases into the atmosphere.

    So it’s coral versus coal, the earth’s health against a big industry, and science versus the Abbott-inspired denial gang. As if to illustrate Australia’s divisions, Queensland’s environment minister, alluding to climate change, warned last month of the need to “reduce as many pressures” as possible on the Great Barrier Reef just after the state approved leases for what would be Australia’s largest coal mine.

    The state of the Great Barrier Reef is one such consequence. Yet, Turnbull, beholden to Abbott’s right wing of the Liberal Party, has, as leader, done his best to forget what he said six years ago. Climate change? What climate change? “I’ve known Turnbull for 30 years, I know what he believes, but he’s fallen victim to his tribe,” Flannery told me.

    That’s a great pity. The reef is as irreplaceable as this planet. Australia has overcapacity in electricity generation. It should close several of its old coal-fired plants. Rich in renewable and clean-energy sources, Australia should be a leader, not a laggard, on climate change. Reputations, like the reef, are easily bleached.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/opinion/coral-vs-coal.html?
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    What the hell are we doing?
     
    #1575     May 26, 2016
  6. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    If the damage to reefs is due to climate change, please explain how reefs with little to no human interaction are doing just fine and are healthy?

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...b00214-f122-11e5-89c3-a647fcce95e0_story.html

    A new report from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography at the University of California at San Diego provides reason for optimism by highlighting the potential for preservation efforts. In a massive project spanning 56 islands, researchers documented 450 coral reef locations from Hawaii to American Samoa.

    The results show that coral reefs surrounding remote islands were dramatically healthier than those in populated areas that were subject to a variety of human impacts.

    There are still coral reefs on this planet that are incredibly healthy and probably look the way they did 1,000 years ago,” said Jennifer Smith, lead author of the study and a professor at Scripps’s Center for Marine Biodiversity and Conservation.
     
    #1576     May 26, 2016
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  7. jem

    jem

    So how did it become coal vs reef?
    The indian ocean is pretty much doing the warming for the entire planet.
    The ocean is most likely warming because of underground volcanoes and vents.

    I have given you links on this before.

    Does any leftist do real science anymore?
    Can't they say maybe coal is a factor ?


     
    #1577     May 26, 2016

  8. Wow you are stupid. Do you not know that the impacts of global warming will not be equally seen across the globe?

    You represent the moron denier side very well. Fortunately you denier idiots are becoming a smaller and smaller minority.
     
    #1578     May 26, 2016
  9. jem

    jem

    Look at this fc guy... he calls todd stupid and does not even understand how misleading it is to blame warming on coal when the indian is most likely warming from underground vents and volcanoes and there is no science showing coal is warming the indian ocean?

    What the heck is wrong with lefties anyway? They won't even engage on real science.
     
    #1579     May 26, 2016
  10. WeToddDid2

    WeToddDid2

    Are you a cherry picker? You look like a cherry picker. NOW GO PICK ME SOME CHERRIES! I am hungry.

    You are the idiot.

    "The results show that coral reefs surrounding remote islands were dramatically healthier than those in populated areas that were subject to a variety of human impacts."
     
    #1580     May 26, 2016
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