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  1. Ricter

    Ricter

    San Diego breaks 137-year-old heat record
    City News Service
    4:05 PM, Apr 17, 2016

    SAN DIEGO -- "A San Diego heat record of 84 degrees was set at Lindbergh Field today, breaking the previous record of 82 that had stood for 137 years, according to the National Weather Service.

    "The warming trend was caused by weak Santa Ana winds combined with low humidity, Forecaster Brent Albright said.

    "It's what happens if you get the right set-up, a big ridge of high pressure off the coast combined with offshore winds," Albright said.

    "We should have another warm one tomorrow with the potential for another record at Lindbergh Field."

    "Humidity in the single digits was recorded in some parts of the county Sunday. Lindbergh Field had 15 percent humidity when the record was broken at 2 p.m.

    "The warmest locations in the county include MCAS-Miramar with a high of 91 degrees, Gillespie Field in El Cajon with a high of 90 and, 89 degrees recorded at Santee, Escondido and Mission Trails Regional Park.

    "A cooling trend was expected to begin Tuesday with a slight chance for rain by next weekend, according to Albright."

    http://www.10news.com/news/san-diego-breaks-137-year-old-heat-record
     
    #1431     Apr 23, 2016
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    Obama’s 97 percent climate change consensus includes ‘deniers’

    By Valerie Richardson - The Washington Times - Updated: 6:56 p.m. on Monday, April 25, 2016

    "The 97 percent of scientists frequently cited by President Obama who agree on climate change? Some of them are actually climate “deniers.”

    "Take David Legates, University of Delaware professor of climatology. He’s known as a leading “denier” for his skeptical take on the catastrophic climate change narrative, but he does agree that the climate is changing — which, by Mr. Obama’s standard, puts him in the 97 percent.

    "In fact, Mr. Legates says the figure is probably closer to 100 percent, because few reputable scientists would disagree that the climate changes, or even that humans have an impact on climate. Where he and other scientists part company with the “consensus” is on the narrower issues of whether human activity is the primary driver of global warming or whether it signals imminent climate disaster.

    “Neither of these arguments have been proven, and they represent the extremes to which the ‘believers’ will go to push their agenda,” said Mr. Legates in an email to The Washington Times. “These questions are seldom addressed by the ‘believers’ when they are trying to manufacture their supposed ‘consensus’ since they will not find widespread agreement.”

    "Those touting the 97 percent figure “ask simplistic, obvious questions for which nearly 100 percent consensus can be attained and then pretend that saying ‘I believe in climate change’ actually means ‘I believe anthropogenic global warming will be disastrous,’” he said.

    "The great 97 percent debate heated up again in the context of Friday’s signing of the Paris Agreement at the United Nations. In the nonbinding accord, signed by Secretary of State John F. Kerry, 175 nations agreed to work toward keeping the rise in global temperatures before 2100 “well below” 2 degrees Celsius compared to pre-industrial levels.

    "The December talks that laid the groundwork for the accord “marked the moment that we put to rest once and for all the debate over whether climate change is real — and began instead to galvanize our focus on how, as a global community, we are going to address the irrefutable reality that nature is changing at an increasingly rapid pace due to our own choices,” Mr. Kerry said.

    "Skeptics say the White House is trying to have it both ways by misrepresenting the 97 percent figure to counter opposition to the agreement.

    "For example, in an Organizing for Action email last week, Mr. Obama said 97 percent agree on the “basic science of climate change,” a broad, vague statement that could apply to a host of climate-related theories and would include any number of leading “deniers.”

    “Ninety-seven percent of climate scientists agree on the basic science of climate change, and we’ve been hearing their warnings for years,” Mr. Obama said in the email. “But climate change deniers in Congress and at the state level have willfully rejected scientific analysis and ignored potential threats.”

    "In December Mr. Obama upped the ante by saying at a press conference that “99.5 of scientists and experts” agree with the “global consensus” that “this is really important,” according to CNSNews.com, a similarly vague pronouncement.

    "As skeptics increasingly challenge the 97 percent figure, which has its roots in a 2004 study by Harvard’s Naomi Oreskes, other researchers have come to its defense.

    "Most recently, a Michigan Technological University study published in the April edition of Environmental Research Letters “confirms that 97 percent of climate scientists agree that climate change is caused by humans,” according to an April 11 press release.

    "But a March survey by George Mason University of 4,092 American Meteorological Society members found that only 67 percent believed that climate change is mostly or entirely caused by humans.

    “Fully 33 percent either believe climate change is not occurring, is mostly natural or is at most half-natural and half-man-made (I tend toward that last category) or simply think we ‘don’t know,’” said Roy W. Spencer, climate scientist at the University of Alabama at Huntsville, who has been branded a “denier” by the climate change movement."

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    #1432     Apr 25, 2016
  3. Speaking of weathermen.....

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    American Meteorological Society

    "It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)
     
    #1433     Apr 25, 2016
  4. Ricter

    Ricter

    Hopefully you followed the math in that article. As I've said before, the AGW deniers, have been pushed back to the outlier of the tail, i.e. "it won't hurt anyway".
     
    #1434     Apr 25, 2016
  5. jem

    jem

    first... this is irrelevant to overall idea of "climate change" and you know that... but
    I will respond in kind.

    santa anas come around a few times a year and typically break records if there were no previous santa ana's during the time frame.

    84 is not a unusually warm day in April in San Diego. We get spikes into the 80s and 90s at any time during the year. if anything that seemed like an unusually tepid santa ana record. I wonder if that is a result of the previous data being adjusted downward.

    prior to that and today we had cool temperatures.


     
    #1435     Apr 25, 2016
  6. jem

    jem

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    #1436     Apr 25, 2016
  7. Ricter

    Ricter

    Uh huh, you betcha.
     
    #1437     Apr 25, 2016

  8. Yes, and their "denial" is now that it won't be catastrophic. Virtually none of them deny that man is causing warming.
     
    #1438     Apr 25, 2016
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    I see it as a spectrum. Virtually none believe man is not causing ANY warming.
     
    #1439     Apr 25, 2016
  10. jem

    jem

    I don't even think you have produced a list of scientists who state man made co2 is causing warming. It makes it look like there is no one on your end of the spectrum.


    sure... I guess that man might be causing warming... but I wonder if man made co2 is causing any warming.

    But.. a spectrum. for there to be a spectrum... you would have to find scientists who actually state they know man made co2 is causing warming. We have a thousand peer reviewed skeptical papers... but you guys have no peer reviewed papers stating man made co2 is causing warming outside the ones with failed models.

    I don't even think you have produced a list of scientists who state man made co2 is causing warming. It makes it look like there is no one on your end of the spectrum.










     
    #1440     Apr 25, 2016