Evangelicals Question The Existence Of Adam And Eve

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Free Thinker, Apr 11, 2012.

  1. bring it on. i enjoy it. people like you are an endless source of amusement.
    god sent me as an educator to inform the world that the bible is nothing more that the rantings for primitive man and is falsified by the sciences of geology.meteorology,archeology,hydrology,anthropology,zoology dendrochronology
    genealogy,entomology, physics and mathematics.

    "Ignorance is preferable to error, and he is less remote from the truth who believes nothing than he who believes what is wrong."
    -Thomas Jefferson

    I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.Thomas Jefferson
    #31     Apr 11, 2012
  2. Wallet


    Please post the link to Jefferson's direct usage of this phrase. I don't think it exists.
    #32     Apr 11, 2012
  3. you dont? maybe this one will give us a better understanding of what he thought:

    "And the day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus, by the supreme being as his father in the womb of a virgin will be classed with the fable of the generation of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter. But we may hope that the dawn of reason and freedom of thought in these United States will do away with all this artificial scaffolding, and restore to us the primitive and genuine doctrines of this the most venerated reformer of human errors." -- Jefferson's letter to John Adams, April 11 1823
    #33     Apr 11, 2012
  4. Wallet


    There's a wide debate on Jefferson's theology, having been raised on the dogma of the Church of England, the only recognized church in Virginia, he later shed the official structure of the church, some say he was a Deist, by Jefferson own words, He claimed to be a Christian, it is evident that he held some separation from the official theology at the time.

    However your original quote.

    "I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology."

    To my knowledge never happened, it can't be found in any of his writings.
    #34     Apr 11, 2012
  5. i will give you that one. i dont know. however ,that people believed the bible before the age of science that has discredited the bible can be excused. back then there was no evidence to base your decision on. now we know better.

    Beliefs should be a search for truth and understanding, not denying reality so you can have faith in a compendium of books written by unknown authors over hundreds and hundreds of years complied much later by other fallible men, as 100% literally correct. That is a faith that is truly blind"
    #35     Apr 11, 2012
  6. jem


    good qualification about 100 percent... but

    Why don't you show us the science which discredits the bible.

    Understand no where in the bible does it say the earth is only 5000 years old.

    Secondly science has shown time is relative

    Third one of the biggest breakthroughs in science was the big bang.
    More recently the discovery of background radiation which is an observation which goes a long way to confirming the big bang.

    That finding which shows there was a creation moment goes a long way to showing evidence of a creator.
    #36     Apr 11, 2012
  7. every field of science falsifies the bible in some manner. there are just too many.
    pick an individual bible myth and focus your question. the most popular bible myth is the great flood. here is science discrediting that one:
    #37     Apr 11, 2012
  8. jem


    You are a broken record, we have covered this. You take your version of the event and set it up like a strawman.

    Just like science changes so does our understanding of what is written.


    Many Christians maintain that the Bible says that the flood account of Genesis requires an interpretation that states that the waters of the flood covered the entire earth. If you read our English Bibles, you will probably come to this conclusion if you don't read the text too closely and if you fail to consider the rest of your Bible. Like most other Genesis stories, the flood account is found in more places than just Genesis. If you read the sidebar, you will discover that Psalm 104 directly eliminates any possibility of the flood being global (see Psalm 104-9 - Does it refer to the Original Creation or the Flood?). In order to accept a global flood, you must reject Psalm 104 and the inerrancy of the Bible. If you like to solve mysteries on your own, you might want to read the flood account first and find the biblical basis for a local flood.

    The Bible's other creation passages eliminate the possibility of a global flood
    The concept of a global Genesis flood can be easily eliminated from a plain reading of Psalm 104,1 which is known as the "creation psalm." Psalm 104 describes the creation of the earth in the same order as that seen in Genesis 1 (with a few more details added). It begins with an expanding universe model (reminiscent of the Big Bang) (verse 2,1 parallel to Genesis 1:1). It next describes the formation of a stable water cycle (verses 3-5,1 parallel to Genesis 1:6-8). The earth is then described as a planet completely covered with water (verse 6, parallel to Genesis 1:9). God then causes the dry land to appear (verses 7-8,1 parallel to Genesis 1:9-10). The verse that eliminates a global flood follows: "You set a boundary they [the waters] cannot cross; never again will they cover the earth." (Psalm 104:9)1 Obviously, if the waters never again covered the earth, then the flood must have been local. Psalm 104 is just one of several creation passages that indicate that God prevented the seas from covering the entire earth.2 An integration of all flood and creation passages clearly indicates that the Genesis flood was local in geographic extent.

    The Bible says water covered the whole earth... Really?
    When you read an English translation of the biblical account of the flood, you will undoubtedly notice many words and verses that seem to suggest that the waters covered all of planet earth.3 However, one should note that today we look at everything from a global perspective, whereas the Bible nearly always refers to local geography. You may not be able to determine this fact from our English translations, so we will look at the original Hebrew, which is the word of God. The Hebrew words which are translated as "whole earth" or "all the earth" are kol (Strong's number H3605), which means "all," and erets (Strong's number H776), which means "earth," "land," "country," or "ground."4 We don't need to look very far in Genesis (Genesis 2) before we find the Hebrew words kol erets.

    The name of the first is Pishon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Havilah, where there is gold. (Genesis 2:11)
    And the name of the second river is Gihon; it flows around the whole [kol] land [erets] of Cush. (Genesis 2:13)
    Obviously, the description of kol erets is modified by the name of the land, indicating a local area from the context. In fact, the term kol erets is nearly always used in the Old Testament to describe a local area of land, instead of our entire planet.5
    #38     Apr 11, 2012
  9. 377OHMS


    What is in question here is the existence of Free Thinker's brain.
    #39     Apr 11, 2012
  10. so god killed every person on earth,except eight, in a local flood? and this:

    New International Version (©1984)
    They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered.
    New Living Translation (©2007)
    Finally, the water covered even the highest mountains on the earth,

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    And the waters prevailed so mightily on the earth that all the high mountains under the whole heaven were covered.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    The water prevailed more and more upon the earth, so that all the high mountains everywhere under the heavens were covered.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    And the waters prevailed exceedingly upon the earth; and all the high hills, that were under the whole heaven, were covered.
    #40     Apr 11, 2012