All of what you said is simply nonsense. But other than rehash the same old bad science from creationist websites i will focus on the king james bible. Modern scholarship has changed many of the critical verses in newer bibles because of new evidence. This all means that the book that you call truth is flawed: 1. THE DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men." (Philippians 2:5-7) Modifications to key verses such as this one and others containing titles of the Lord Jesus Christ denigrate the doctrine of His deity. http://watch.pair.com/scriptures.html
The oldest manuscript we have is 150 years after Jesus died and it is the size of a postage stamp. We have nothing but copies of copies written 150 years after the event. There has never been archaelogical evidence found to verify anything Jesus did. In fact there is no evidence outside the bible that Jesus ever existed.
Friend I would challenge your science any day of the week. But I have found all atheists, which is a religion by the way, incapable of providing complimentary evidence in support of their self-asserted cause. Go ahead give me the missing science which you folks have propagated since the beginning of time. No friend it boils down to rebellion, and thinking yourselves "as god". What... next your going to tell me about the goodness of man, and how great a humanitarian you are...right? Must explain all the starving people in the world, and wars, and divorces, and crime, etc. There's your evolution theory for you ...man evolving to his ultimate destruction. Oh I know you are going to tell me how much better the world is by not holding to the simple tenets of the TEN commandments...sure I can see it...plainly all around me. Friend you are living in an allusion created by like-minded individuals as yourself. You blame God and religion for the problems in your life and the world . I agree MANMADE religion is definitely an excuse for the problems...but that's man's definition. Man's inherent evil nature simply uses what ever resources he has to propagate his own agenda...sure why not use religion. They all attempt to lift themselves above God's mandate. They are above the law, or so they think. If you really examine the truths of revealed scripture, which are central to the thought of "do unto your neighbor , as you would have them do unto yourself.", you will find that it not only unveils the mind of God but also reveals the truth of man's nature. My own included of course...for I am not exempt of sinful behaviour, but by the grace of God I am freed of its inherent bondage and I do not revel in it...it does not occupy my life in other words. For instance my mind is not constantly filled with the perversion of sexual sins. Can you say the same friend? or perhaps it is shackles of some other sin. Perhaps you are a habitual liar....have any fish tales? Your evolutionary thought is a lie..but perhaps it is simply ignorance. I will give you the benefit of the doubt on that one. But you will still be responsible before God for proglamating such a lie. Best get your facts straight. I am certain something holds you..some dark secret sin. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can release you from it...permanently if you desire it. But sin is fun is it not...yes for a season, but the end thereof is death. And any clinical psychologist will tell you about man's obsession with sexaul sin. And the content of the internet confirms it. Bob Dylan wrote a song "You got serve somebody.." Who do you serve friend? Yourself? No I stopped lieing to myself a long time ago. It was after reading this I was honest with myself, and God then unveiled the truth of His word..Romans1 says,"Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain(stupid) in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, and changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies betwen themsleves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature(man or a rock) more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever, Amen...and vs 28 reads, "And even as they did not like to retain god in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful; Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." There is man's nature..unregenerated without Christ....without hope...lost to an eternity separated from God!! Scripture's definition of religion is this, and to love the Lord your God with all your heart and mind." Tell me what is wrong with this type of thinking."... to help the fatherless and the widows..this is pure and undefiled religion." Surely man hasn't written these laws..hasn't he? NO it isn't his nature. Sure you can do it once in a while..big deal..we aren't perfect. Agape type love we do not have. Your nice alright, provided no one steps on your toes...it is conditional. Press the right buttons and we will see what you are made of. You want reality...have you experienced war or faced starvation...!! Further to this discussion, and that is all it is ..I am NOT calling you out friend., just challenging your line of thought and it gets me hot...for I can not let it alone, to think millions will perish in a lost eternity without the Christ..it is true madness. As far as your observations are concerned relating to the obscured references of scripture in various versions..you are correct they do differ. I have many versions, including the original Greek and Hebrew text. And I am quite aware of the Westcott-Hort text and their version changes. And I am in agreement with Mr. Baker's compilation of scripture references. There are far more than this! What do you expect from man's meddling with the Word of God. These men were apostate and not believers...why would you be surprised in the changes! And yet even with all the changes the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ is still intact. God's law and His Word cannot be denied even with these so-called abridged versions. Would you like to go thru the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts ...they are the originals? They are more closely in-line with the KJV...which is a far closer translation...but still a translation. I made reference to this version only to say it is the most complete of the versions, but the old king's english is sometimes difficult to interpret for some...especially the younger children. I am glad you brought our attention to this page of reference, for it again reaffirms to me where man is, surely there be trouble. The dead sea scrolls amongst other text that were painstakingly handwritten over a period of 1500 years by some 66 authors living in various parts of the Middle East only proves to authenticate the revelation of the Messiah, which is revealed throughout scripture from Genesis to Revelation. Yes not only this book but some 30,000 pages of scrip. I am afraid you error friend in not knowing the truth,"My people perish for lack of knowledge." But it all ultimately boils down to one thing...will you bend the knee to all mighty God....repent of your sin. For it is only a broken and contrite spirit that can come to God. Maybe a day or two in a fox hole might change your attitude, or perhaps jumping out of plane with a malfunctioned chute might help. Guess what your first words are then, "OH GOD help me!" How convenient..just like a genie in a bottle. Be assured God is not mocked. Psalm 14:1 declares, "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God..."
Your ramblings sound like one wacked individual. You seem to be proof that the real danger of religion(superstition) is what it does to the mind of the believer. If you want to debate science and religion pick your best scientific argument for evidence of your beliefs and we will debate it. you could start here: http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=70716
great fox hole story: Let's say that a general sends 10,000 soldiers into a fierce battle. Although the general does not know it at the time, the 10,000 men end up marching into an ambush. The enemy has 30,000 troops, artillery support plus close air support and is able to decimate the 10,000 soldiers in short order. Once the enemy is finished, they leave 100 survivors out of the original 10,000 to limp and crawl back to base. You may have heard that there are no atheists in foxholes. Before they died, we can assume that every single one of the 10,000 soldiers who marched into the ambush prayed fervently and deeply for God to spare his life. Despite those prayers, the enemy proceeded to attack with deadly force. 9,900 of those who prayed wasted their breath -- they died. The 100 who return from the battle, however, feel as though their prayers were answered. They have been through a horrific firefight, and they are deeply grateful to have escaped with their lives. At the time they prayed, they were absolutely and totally terrified and desperate. To have survived seems like a miracle. The 100 survivors fan out with their personal stories of answered prayers. They tell their soldier buddies how they prayed for their lives and their prayers were answered. When they arrive home they tell their families and friends about their harrowing experiences on the battlefield and how nothing but their prayers saved them. They give testimonials at church, give speeches in the community, write articles for magazines, etc. Millions of people are exposed to the positive, powerful, personal testimonials of the 100 survivors. This is great advertising for prayer. And it works. People hear the stories of the survivors and they believe. The real power of this approach, however, comes from the fact that the 9,900 dead soldiers never get to tell their side of the story. Ninety nine percent of the soldiers died, and only one percent survived. Far more men prayed and died, but they never get to tell anyone about their disappointment. So the 100 personal testimonials FOR prayer are strong, loud, frequent and compelling. Meanwhile the 9,900 personal testimonials AGAINST prayer are silent, because the dead soldiers never get a chance to speak. Therefore, to a casual observer, it appears that prayer works. Every story that you hear is positive. The reality is that 99% of the praying people died. It is another perfect example of God's Ratio (see Chapter 2). Dropping like flies Let's say that you listen to a person tell this story: "There I was in a horrific firefight on the battlefield. All of my friends around me were dropping like flies. But I prayed to God and he saved me." The question that any normal person would ask is, "Why did God let all the others drop like flies? And why aren't you running away from a God who killed 99% of your friends instead of answering their equally fervent prayers?" The fact that 9,900 praying people died while only 100 survived should be plenty of evidence to indicate that prayer does not work. A 99% failure rate is significant. But for some reason, believers do not seem to think about the 9,900 who died. They instead celebrate the "answered prayers" of the 100. The 9,900 who died are swept under the carpet. It should be becoming obvious to you what actually happens on any battlefield. The survivors benefit from random luck and nothing more. Their "answered prayers" are simply coincidences.
Buddy this comment only helps to confirm your lack of lucidness. Whether I live or die is irrelevant!!! You have only helped to confirm that you hold to the false ideology that we exhort God in order to "get our way", and that because the majority of prayers go unanswered or not answered the way we like it..it must therefore undoubtedly prove that God doesn't exist...Because surely if He did He would have answered my prayers...because I am such a nice guy and He should be honored that I would even consider Him to hear my prayer...right! Please give me break! This is the genie in the bottle that I alluded to earlier. Wrong answer dude!! But that is because you suffer from the "I am" syndrome. I am this, I am that, I deserve this, that and the other thing." It's called selfish desires...I am the end all and the all in all. Hey not to say that I would like to preserve my life to, but if not so be it. My eternity with the Lord Jesus Christ is far more rewarding than this one...this is simply the precursor. We have been created for His glory, not for Him to glorify us!!! But your answer confirms you do not understand this line of thought, because your treasure is here where rust and moth doth decay. And where all things of like manner do likewise perish, and you with it. You want and expect God to answer you when you want, and how you want it, or at least you think that is what we propagate. On the contrary God allowed His Son Christ the God-man to suffer at that hands of feeble men, to bleed and to die, in payment for my death sentence..so that I might be spared, pardoned for sins. So that I might escape His final judgement. I thought you might answer that way.. you are all so predictable, just like children!! You love your sin and your filth. You call good... evil, and evil ...good. You love darkness rather than light..that is the truth. You think you are wise but you are simply in rebellion and denial. How do I know...what, do you think we are born Christian or maybe baptized at birth and that covers it...right. I have been there!!! How is it possible for you to distinguish right from wrong unless the letter of the Law(scripture) be given to you? How? explain it to me? What is your truth? What is to be abhorred and what is to be cherished? What...I suppose you are going to say abortion is ok...right! That prostitution, is ok..right? Hang on maybe adultery is ok...hey what's wrong with a little extra on the side ..right? Wait, wait..I know this one will get you....homosexuality is ok right? Sure I am still waiting for them to isolate that homo gene...anything to justify your sin...that is the bottom line. Yea you must explain bisexuality for me...they got both genes in their shorts right. Friend you best come to reality because your living in a grand illusion, and you are going to wake up some day and it isn't going to be pleasant. I Corinthians 3:18 states, "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are. Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise that they are vain, Therefore let no man glory in men." Yup your just the kind of person I'd send my kids to school to be instructed by. Bet your just chalked full of wisdom..well your full of something. Outside of Christ you are hopeless...simply a lost lying dog who wallows in his vomit, and glories in it. Just as I once was!! Well you got part of it right..I am whacked alright. Whacked for the Lord of Lord's, King of Kings, the Name that is above every name. Phillipians 2 proclaims, "Wherefore God also hath highly exalted Him, and given Him a name which is above every name: That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth: And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father." I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ. Contrary to those like yourself who use His name and God's for nothing more than a swear word. Why is this? Do you not find this a strange phenomenon...all over the world? It is because it is something spiritual...darkened souls can only use His name to vex their own. Just try stopping for a day or a week...I challenge you. Psalm 1 declares, "Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season: his leaf shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the day of judgement, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish. Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the Lord, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in His wrath, and vex them in His sore displeasure. ...Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth. Serve the Lord with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the SON, lest He be angry, and ye perish from the way, when His wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in HIM." Got to love that old english..so poetic. Well I am waiting for your challenge friend. You haven't answered the first letter yet. Go ahead give me the missing link. But personally I don't relish the idea of coming out of the south end of a north bound monkey...if you know what I mean....maybe you like it! At least it explains why you are spewing this poo-poo though..haha! Give me your version of entropy, or the law of energy. What... maybe some carbon dating? Come on at least give me a challenge...you are getting boring! Be forewarned though if you take it up...you will not win!! It would be easier for you to simply bend the knee and kiss the SON. The angels in heaven would be rejoicing, and I really would be happier. We pray to save souls not our own skins. For the Lord wishes that none should perish, and that all would come to the knowledge of salvation. Judas was regarded as a friend right until the end...for he was not a brother...the offer is there until it is no more! And before you use His name in vain again I would suggest you heed this warning in Exodus. the seventh commandment,"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.' Something to think about. He came the first time as a lamb for the slaughter, to be handled by wicked men...this time He is coming as a lion..the Lion of Judah. Oh yea and I got attitude..so what about it!!
You seem to be hung up on kinky sex. Is your inability to repress sexual thoughts a sign? If you are willing to put together a question in a few sentences i will debate it with you but i dont have time to analyze the ramblings of a religious wacko.
"His name in vain again I would suggest you heed this warning in Exodus. the seventh commandment,"Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.' " Your god will be upset with someone who takes his name in vain yet he stood by and did nothing while his priests raped little boys in a house of god? Seems a little unfair to me.
Friend I have just finished reading your diatribe from the other thread. I thought I had been too hard on you previously. I am afraid I was far, far to lenient. And you consider yourself a biblical student or authority? Yikes, I am afraid you do not know your left hand from your right hand. The Lord has given you over to a reprobate mind....wow!! I wondered why those specific verses came to mind in reference to you. How is it possible that a person would expend so much energy in an attempt to mock God? Wow I hadn't read that mess up until now. Friend I am afraid you have migrated from heretic to apostate!! Do you know the difference? 2nd Thessalonians 2 states, "Let no man deceive you by any means; for that day shall not come, (the coming of the Lord) except there come a falling away first,and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;(satan) who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God, sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God...Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, AND with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. AND for this cause God shall send them strong delusion,that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness." "Finally brethren, pray for us, that the Word of the Lord may have free course, and be glorified, even as it is with you: AND that we may be delivered from unreasonable and wicked men:for all men have not faith." Ephesians 5 declares,"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. LET no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truthproving what is acceptable unto the Lord. And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them." II Timothy 3 "This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; having a form of godliness (good deeds), but denying the power thereof: from such turn away(why? because they are counterfeit...that is you friend) "For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth." II Peter2 "for when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire." What can I say other than may the Lord have mercy on your soul...you'll need it!!