Evan McMullin

Discussion in 'Politics' started by smallStops, Aug 12, 2016.

  1. piezoe

    piezoe

    The election is already conceded to clinton. And of course this guy running absolutely assures her victory. He knows he can't win. He is running for another reason entirely. The Republican establishment is running this guy as a last ditch effort to bring enough republican voters to the polls to allow them to hang on to their House and Senate seats.. They are scared shitless of losing their seats if too many republican voters, knowing that the election is lost and not wanting to vote for either Hilary or Trump, should decide to stay home. Even though he has to run as an "independent" all the republicans, by the time of the election, will know he is the republican establishment candidate. This may be a clever strategy to salvage something from the election. We'll see. If you start seeing expensive ads in his favor, that will be the tip off that I am right. He is a what you could call a throwaway candidate that is there for a special purpose. The RNC money that would have gone to the trump campaign will probably get laundered or simply redirected to support McMullin's campaign. Trump will be livid when he figures out what the RNC and republican establishment is doing to him. Even though Trump is a despicable person, I wouldn't blame him for being thoroughly pissed. On the other hand he has been such a jackass can you blame mainstream republicans for not supporting him.
     
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    #11     Aug 12, 2016
  2. achilles28

    achilles28

    Yes. More CIA neocons in the whitehouse. Cause eight years of bush and "nation building" wasn't enough !!
     
    #12     Aug 12, 2016
  3. achilles28

    achilles28

    This guy is meant to split the vote from trump if he comes too close.

    They'll get him on the ballot in swing states to draw the neocon vote away from trump. CIA operative. That's what they do = Hillary victory.

    Wake up dummies
     
    #13     Aug 12, 2016
  4. As far as it goes, Evan McCullin put his own life on the line for Americans.
    Thought I do not approave of US foreign policies, I can respect those who risk
    their lives for their country.

    Putin, that I admire, was a KGB operative. Aka a Russian establishment guy.
    So here you have 11-years CIA operative who tracked people who pose a US security threats.
    Still not getting a hint?

    The guy has also gone to Wharton University ( MBA), same uni as Trump :
    not yet getting a hint?

    The guy has done a gig at Goldman Sachs, aka he certainly has had access to ALL
    about Trump ( as in Donald Trump, Trump's family, Trump's wife, Trump's kids, Trump's associates) finances ( taxes, government agencies payments, debts, loans, financial transactions including overseas,
    with any American, with any Foreigners, with any Foreign country, and including
    any Fund or Trust existing anywhere in the world). Not yet getting a hint?
    And his job at Goldman Sachs was to work directly with CEO, Big Business CEOs, Real wealthy Entrepreneurs, Businessmen. Not yet getting a hint?

    The guy is even a Mormon. I mean that's the message for the Evangelicals. Not yet getting a hint?

    Now, Trump: I first admired him. A self-declared deca-billionnaire ( I mean he can spend 10,000 times
    one million$) who bothers running for US President really impressed me. All the more
    that he would be ready to put himself under such scrutiny. So I really welcomed this,
    as I wanted to study - thanks to the scrutiny he would go through ( the USA are still the most powerful
    country in the world, thus they would scrutinize) his wealth, business and money.
    I did read his books. At a time, I even applied to Trump University, but wanted to wait one year
    as I was already involved in other things.
    And let me tell you, it is very rare to get a full glimpse from third parties how a billionnaire operates,
    let alone a deca-billionnaire like Trump.


    Do you know where Trump money came from after each of his bankrupcies?
    And how much was raised each time ? I want to understand how US people go about
    raising serious cash.
     
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    #14     Aug 14, 2016
  5. It is not easy being not based in the US to get all the infos on how Donald Trump is now a deca-billionnaire ( and all hats to him for that).

    I understand that he used debts and bankruptcies laws to his advantage.

    So he started with a good inheritance of around 200million$, out of an estate from his dad's of around 350million$ made of properties, supermarkets and other shops.

    Now, I am making some hypothesis from now on.
    I can understand he could borrow 5 times , so access 1bn$.
    Then the key in his route to deca-billionnaire seems to rest on the ability
    to have been able to highly leverage, and when
    going into bankruptcies being still able to borrow money again.
    What I am finding is, for Donald Trump Uni, some of his students talked about leveraging using
    not just one corporation, but various one to shift the assets, borrow more, and go into bankrupcies
    and still being able to be able to borrow again.
    What would make things easier would be to have acess to his borrowing history,
    from whom, on what basis ( collaterals, promises of favours, type of agreement, etc)
    The bankruptcies ( of a total of around $11bn) are public records, but not the borrowings.
     
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    #15     Aug 15, 2016
  6. There should be more deca-billionnaire and multi-billionnaire kids running for such a high job as President of the USA : a real chance to find out about methods used. So many people perspectives.

    Clearly he was a very high borrower.
    I assumed wrongly that he borrowed may be 5 times is assets!!!!
    My assumption was wrong.

    The 1980s where he borrowed non-stop, his borrowing could go up
    to 5,000times borrowing on deposit. As in the purchase of his then
    10-million$ florida home, where a Chase Manhattan 8million$ bank loan was not
    recorded on public records, thus allowing a simple 2,000$ deposit to buy a mansion.

    * One technique : borrow as much as possible, if necessary avoiding recording the loan
    on any courthouses so as not to limit the borrowing. In case lenders
    want to check if there are other collaterals on the asset. Brillant.

    I will try to check brokerages companies - retail bucketshops- because I have yet to see
    one that offers 5,000 to 1 leverage.
     
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    #16     Aug 16, 2016
  7. Leverage to the hilt, and remove laws as laws provide limits to borrowing.
     
    #17     Aug 16, 2016
  8. Oh well!!! i made a lot of assumptions regarding Trump's story.
    Actually, his dad in today's terms was actually a multi (in terms of hundreds) millions,
    and the businessman coached Donald Trump from at least 10 years from 1960s to
    1970s about the real estate business. But in affect around 30 years of 100s-millionnaire dad's business
    coaching. So he started with a lot of cash, and a lot of "in-house" training.
    Then 1970s continue to develop the family business introducing leverage ( with dad's supervision), and teaming up with dad's business contacts to get things moving. Or even dad doing million$ cash injections ( One of the casinos) via chips when there were risk of laon defaults.

    It is interesting how when he buys an asset, he uses it to get more financing.
    1988 bought Plaza Hotel for 403million$. He mortgage it for 425million$, so
    creating a cool positive cash flow of 22million$.

    Quiet a few techniques to learn here.
     
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    #18     Aug 16, 2016
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    (underlining mine)
    Well, that's certainly correct. Have you considered the possibility that the narcissistic Donald Trump may be a very skilled, believable liar and con-man, and that that is how he has been able to borrow so much money despite many bankruptcies and failed ventures?
     
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    #19     Aug 16, 2016
  10. Finding out the history of his business has been extremely instructive.
    I kind of assumed he was a self-made businessman, not really. Nothing wrong with coming
    from an extremely wealthy family and inheriting , but that was the image I had.
    Then I assumed that he mastered how to grow businesses, but then
    I came across his bondholders reports when he risked defaults in 1990s.
    On this the 80s borrowings, bailouts by dad to avoid bankruptcies. Then the
    1990s monthly "allowances" imposed by his creditors ( bondholders).

    The key about Trump is really finding out how much he owed, he owes, and to whom, and the terms.
    To whom might be more difficult as he might have borrowed from individuals as well, and through
    intermediaries. So these are not easily tracable.

    But you are lucky to have the CIA in all countries in the world, and that these agents
    are also well trained in finance, so they can understand easily money flows.

    He really frightens people overseas with his talks of getting the US to default:
    the US defaults means it is the end of the US as the super power, with all the unseen
    consequences that can lead to.
     
    #20     Aug 16, 2016