European Muslim

Discussion in 'Politics' started by nitro, Oct 22, 2016.

  1. Thank you for picking up how he deals with facts :
    * misquote
    * mis-interpret
    * distort
    * alter
    * cherry-pick
    Does not address the truth
    Does not align with reality
    Cool, very well analysed.
     
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    #11     Oct 23, 2016
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's take a look at the battles during the period of time directly before the crusades and during the crusades

     
    #12     Oct 23, 2016
  3. This video is not very good, because it presents the spread of muslims based on verifiable facts, and he twists it with his own interpretations. Thus he seems to be trying to play the feelings of people who are into the narrative of a clash of civilization.
    I also find it astonishing that most of people who talk on islam or jihad in the media are mostly non-muslims.
    Imagine if those talking about christianity or christian history were mostly non-christian!
     
    #13     Oct 23, 2016
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You should go to the Middle East and watch TV. There is plenty of talk about Christians and Christian history from non-Christians. As an added bonus you can watch lots of re-writtten history regarding Jews on TV.

    Are you stating that the history timeline on the battles and number of battles in the video is not factual?
     
    #14     Oct 23, 2016
  5. nitro

    nitro

    You are falling for the typical trick these people employ. Shift gears as often as possible to make counter arguments about what was originally stated in very simple terms, with the intent to keep you off balance. It looks like a cogent argument, but it isn't.

    For example, look at this video when Thom Hartmann brings in someone to pushback on his views. Recognize that guy on ET? The whole video is really interesting, but I advanced it to the relevant time index for the purposes of displaying the guerrilla tactics employed by these people.

    Notice the very first thing that Thom Hartmann states, and notice how it is warped into something else by this guy until the intial simple statement is nowhere to be seen. That is because we are easily taken off point by being led in a timeline.

    The only argument the guy has constitutionally (probably the wrong term but you get my drift) is "taxation without representation". But in this case, you get taxed and you get something in return. On the other hand, abortion is decline of right to life, and it does contradict the Declaration of Independence "Right to life" to some extent.



     
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    #15     Oct 23, 2016
  6. nitro

    nitro

    Too bad the Declaration of Independence didn't include one very simple statement. "We come together in these United States to build a society so that we may share the risk of defending our nation in times of war as a collective, and also share the risk away from the individual in economic burdens in a collective".

    Notice that they are both Socialist ideas. But only the first is accepted as reasonable by the people with the means of production.

    What a difference that would have made.
     
    #16     Oct 23, 2016
  7. Watching your video, made me realise that countries in Europe do have somewhere different sets of values.
    Most EU countries have had free national healthcare provided to all its citizen since the 1950s. So it is really strange to see people argueing for something we have taken for granted for over more than 60 years.
     
    #17     Oct 23, 2016
  8. nitro

    nitro

    It isn't just what you are saying which is true. Listen to the first few words of the Declaration Of Independence.

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."

    United_States_Declaration_of_Independence.jpg
     
    #18     Oct 23, 2016
  9. For me that just sounds so obvious that each person has a right to life.
    I am astonished that people argue about this type of things.
     
    #19     Oct 23, 2016
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    You do realize that the United States government is established by the Constitution. The Declaration of Independence is merely the complaint to England from the continental congress.
     
    #20     Oct 23, 2016