eurodollars/eurbor traders

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by henderson, Oct 24, 2009.

  1. another cautious central banker
    king pretty clear
    cautious economic view
    sold front diff at + 3 20.s v 63 and m/z/m -16
    m/z/m has great convergence still to h/u/h
    market should continue to defer steepness

    yield whores likely even at up 10 or so to want dec and beyond tomorrow
    overnight papers likely reporting bullish on kings statement
    am a dec buyer and on dips for overnight gap up if straight direction is your desire
     
    #31     Feb 10, 2010
  2. getting paid.
     
    #32     Feb 10, 2010
  3. didnt get the follow through post overnight papers on King
    stopped the outright long in dec
    at 70 for 2 tick loss
    still following the diff opinions favour dec to trade and from teh long side

    running m fly diff and m/z/m

    no real ideas in bor

    telegraph carrying an article that is more than likely post the event on china and a leaked directive concerning avoidance of riskier dollar assets
     
    #33     Feb 11, 2010
  4. m/z/m sterling liquidating 1/3 at -21 this morning
    convergence to h/u/h still favourable but decent 24 hr move

    no progress on m diff but no change of opinion

    bernanke was pretty clear
    favouring long edlr 12 mos cal longs
    u/u or z/z probably
     
    #34     Feb 12, 2010
  5. actions starting to follow the words
    cbs are sending clear signals
    e dlrs
    z/z had reasonable move to 150 (high 150,5 overnight)
    booking p/l on 1/2 will reset longs on move back to 142
    short sterling
    m/z/m s stg still running current -26
    front diff troublesome not enough steepness in m/u
     
    #35     Feb 19, 2010
  6. euribored

    euribored

    Nakedtraderclan..

    Enjoying the thread. Excuse my ignorance but what type of trade do you mean when you refer to diff in your posts?
     
    #36     Feb 22, 2010
  7. apologies never necessary
    always happy to discuss
    markets made of opposing views
    a diff is simply two butterflies one long one short
    eg h/m/u v m/u/z

    like the majority of my spread views a relative curve relationship
    kinked often by liquidity or "an in play " month distorting the curve progression
    very favoured arcade trade by likes of globalexchangetrading,tyler capital,sta etc,to mention just a few
    all of whom use a mean reverting type approach and tend to avoid the nearby flies and the risk of dramatic policy induced curve shift

    the driver is usually the body spread of which you have 3 legs

    hope that helps
     
    #37     Feb 22, 2010
  8. ecb sources indicating extension of liquidity measures at march 4 meeting
    yield premium to cash being removed again
    eonia flies all gone flat or slightly negative
    m diff around par is interesting to short but not quite there yet
     
    #38     Feb 24, 2010
  9. rentered dec10 dec11 at 142 overnight
     
    #39     Mar 1, 2010
  10. my curve positions seem to have got stale with little p/l change over last 10 days and i am stale of views

    z/z dlrs - -1 tick at 141.5 keeping re instated 1/2 after liquidation at 150.5
    z/m/z s stg -26 converence to h/u/h now only 10 ticks liquidated blalnce
    m diff s stg + 3 ticks short at par

    am tempted given the stellar performance of short front eibor fly now -13 (shame greek debacle stopped out 2nd time position set but such is trading) to short m/u/z the turn (z) is in my favour but do not really like u position long at sub 1 percent on an outright basis
    expect it will behave similarly to the h/m/u ie tend positive in a downmove as sep will most likely be lead month and that will be the opp for a short
    might be worth looking at synthetic sep through options

    macro wise my views very much unchanged
    cb,s very clear messages it is just a question as always of timing
    for teh liquidity removal
     
    #40     Mar 15, 2010