Eurodollar Futures (GE)--anyone else trading these?

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by trdinglife, Aug 22, 2004.

  1. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    well next time u see a fat profit on a 100 lot i hope u take 30-50 lots off to bank some profit. if u r right - u win more. if u r wrong then at least u have some bunce 4 your trouble.
     
    #141     Nov 22, 2004
  2. dsguns1

    dsguns1

    Easy...........Take your 6 tick profit. You dont need to take huge winners in order to trade size in this. Think of it this way......if you make 4 1/2 ticks per day clipping 100's, thats $5,000 per day. IF you can do that same thing on 300's, and keep the same discipline, Its $15,000/day. Some days the market is going to give you more (i.e. last Friday), and some days it'll give you very little (i.e. today). But most days, pulling 3-4 half ticks is realistic.
    $15,000 x 240 trading days is $3.6 million a year, is that enough for you?
    Even better, you only average 2 ticks per day on 300, that still works out to $1.8 Million.
    Even better, even if you only average 1 tic per day on 300, you still make $900k a year.

    You get the point. Take your profits, and get out of bad trades quickly.
     
    #142     Nov 22, 2004
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    #143     Nov 22, 2004
  4. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    hope this doesnt diverge the conversation too much but i am thinking that most on this thread are uk based rather than us based?

    am i right?

    (im in uk)
     
    #144     Nov 23, 2004
  5. as a further comment on my disbelief about ED recent strength in the face of weakness...this may explain a bit...

    "The latest J.P. Morgan dealer survey showed long positions widened to 10 percent from 6.0 percent last week, though that was still dwarfed by short positions at 40 percent. Fully half of investors are neutral on Treasuries, with many believing prices are too rich, but too afraid to sell, given the market's stubborn resilience in recent months."

    while this applies mainly to treasuries; and the flattening trade appears to be continuing; this last sentence is still pretty amazing...'too afraid to sell'...that about sums up the market the past couple of months really...despite Friday's melting...even then at the end of the day (around 2pm or so) the buyers came back in a big way, especially in the Sep05 and Dec05 contracts...I would love the Fed at it's Dec meeting to give us some stronger language about rates going up...perhaps this would cause some capitulation selling...then we might actually get a trend for a couple of weeks...and more than a few days like last Friday...wouldn't that be nice?!

    by the way blogg I am based in Canada...
     
    #145     Nov 23, 2004
  6. t'life, you're a self-confessed scalper and short term momo trader...are you aspiring to join the trendies? Besides, wouldn't it be just as viable for you if there was, say, a retracement on a weakish NFP or string of flaccid nbrs?

    I've taken mental note of those JPM surveys for several weeks now, and they seem to have some information content, much more so than COT.
     
    #146     Nov 23, 2004
  7. true...can't deny any of it...I am a humble servant of the god of scalping and momentum...however, when longer trends present themselves, the day time frame within that trend provides excellent trade set ups...if the trend is down then the way to approach most days is from the short side...obviously have to be flexible on the shorter term but at least it gives you a few more clues...my point is that right now there in no real trend...when I approach the days now, I have no real bias but everytime it looks like it wants to break down, the buyers come out of nowhere and drive it back up with seemingly little regard to the actual price levels...it is certainly more amenable to trading when you have an idea why these guys are so bent on buying...otherwise your guessing leaves your conviction to go with them a little cold...if you don't know why you are in the trade, you certainly will have very little idea why or when you should get out...furthermore, when there is a lack of trend then you get a lot of really small crappy range days that are aggressively without momentum..there is still opportunity but when you are trying to do more size it tends to be a lot more stressful...imo.

    and yes frankly as long as the nfp numbers (or any numbers for that matter) are out of line then I don't really care which way it goes...at least on that day...for instance if the nfp is a lot stronger, is this the key that makes the sellers 'less afraid' or after a selloff do we see the buying return over the next few days and weeks...who knows? and this makes it a bit more difficult to trade some days...
     
    #147     Nov 23, 2004
  8. FredBloggs

    FredBloggs Guest

    lol -

    ive been looking at cot reports recently - ok its all a week late, but i still cant see any significant positions by commercials or non. cos its all hedged!
     
    #148     Nov 23, 2004
  9. mcurto

    mcurto

    How about Fed Funds? Anybody trading those on the screen? Volume on the screen has exploded there over the past few months. Or is it mostly just paper trading with each other? There are definitely anomalies between FF's and ED's in terms of their rate forecasting ability. Look at FFz4 vs. EDz4, the euros were way too aggresive in pricing in fed tightening by December of this year (around May of 2004), but now it seems to have reversed a little. There is definitely huge volume in the Fed Funds, front two months are easily couple thousand up every day, you just need to figure out how to lay off your risk if you actually get hit on the bid or someone lifts your offer. Same with the two year note, screen volume is eventually gonna be close to 100k a day.
     
    #149     Nov 23, 2004
  10. I'd guess after EDs gained critical mass on Globex, screen avail of FF and cross-margining breaks would have brought in institutional spread activity which built the volume rapidly?

    What you observed in the forecasting accuracy of FF and ED over different time periods has been the focus of various academic papers.

    I've traded some ED/FF spreads this year on a mean-reversion outlook. Not the game you're looking for, but risk profile is benign and margin low.

    EDH5/FFH5 yield spread is quite wide right now, 34bps. There are the usual contract time/exposure factors, schedule of Fed meetings etc. to explain some of this, but...
     
    #150     Nov 24, 2004