ETF arbitrage day vs swing trades, eg TQQQ vs SQQQ

Discussion in 'ETFs' started by KCalhoun, Aug 24, 2019.

  1. never2old

    never2old

    Enjoyed reading this Ken.

    I have followed the trend/performance of a few pairs for the past 10 years & convinced a long [historical] hold say $10k in each pair set is a no-brainer, no loser.

    example as seen in

    https://www.stocksplithistory.com/?symbol=tqqq

    https://www.stocksplithistory.com/?symbol=sqqq

    Same for UPRO/SPXU, UDOW/SDOW.

    The benefit that I see from playing long in these pairs is in the splits as well as after each split there are several exit opportunities of the peaks & valleys.

    Take recent times taking Jan 2, 2020 a $10k play in TQQQ/SQQQ, today you'd be down a bunch, approx 15%by my calculation. So its not always +/- percentage difference = 0 or zero sum. Because each pair are at different prices, I see the long play based purely on the historical performance of the indices (DOW, NASDAQ, S&P) that an equal dollar investment in each the leveraged 3x pairs that long term is a no-loser.

    except the SVXY/UVXY pairs never did work out, a loss on both sides

    Folks might say 'why not simply buy & hold just the index & ride the wave', sure that works also especially adding in long ATM covered calls.

    As for day/week trading the pairs I think its difficult to get in done right & timing.

    Although considerable guesswork/timing when doing this in the expiring options week
     
    #21     Apr 16, 2020
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  2. never2old

    never2old

    @Ken, for information, education & reference purposes only

    there was an old timer that had a successful Algorithm model for ETF arbitrage pairs trading.

    historical posted daily performances

    https://www.roebucksystems.com/historicaldata.html

    Even though the website is still up, I think his program is down
     
    Last edited: Apr 16, 2020
    #22     Apr 16, 2020
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  3. %%
    That's strange; but not surprising= you made a lot more on TQQQ, than SQQQ, with TQQQ being the smaller position.[I see now that is SEPT, I was thinking TQQQ/$60s=this week .LOL] FRI-MARCH 18/2020
     
    #23     Apr 17, 2020
  4. never2old

    never2old

    @Ken, if it's not too personal & you wont mind posting (otherwise ignore this request) - with your personal day/swing trading of the leveraged ETF, taking into account all the work & effort that you put into it with the profits/losses, what is your average year over year performance %, not dollars?
     
    #24     Apr 27, 2020