Enveloping orders

Discussion in 'Order Execution' started by riskreward, Sep 4, 2003.

  1. If you're referring to BT's risk on this, we are more than prepared via our Risk Control. We've had Pairs "blow up" for Millions overall, and yet, we're in this for the long run, and since the money is ours (except for the traders relatively small contribution), we "have an especially strong interest" in keeping it intact (the money).... And, as far as "promoting it to all their traders"....we do our very best to simply show, by example, what is currently working....all the while stressing to everyone (strongly) that there is no "magic" formula for this. I personally feel much better about this approach than letting traders simply flounder about using un-sound strategies, or worse yet, older techniques that simply don't work anymore. The market is very cyclical, and as conditions change, so must we all.

    As you know, I can only speak for BT, and am always willing to "share."

    Don
     
    #21     Sep 5, 2003
  2. Exactly.


    peace

    axeman



     
    #22     Sep 5, 2003
  3. Nordic

    Nordic

     
    #23     Sep 5, 2003
  4. Dustin

    Dustin

    You still don't understand the core argument here. If a plane crashes into a building, every Bright/Echo trader doing this will probably get filled long on at least 50% of their buys (depending on how many specialists would let them cancel before fills), while no shorts would get filled. The firm would be entirely long while the market plummets.

    Don I'm not picking on Bright. I'm sure you have the cash to back up an event like this. But there are other firms doing this that may not.
     
    #24     Sep 5, 2003
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    #25     Sep 5, 2003
  6. I understand what you're saying in this regard, Dustin.

    Don
     
    #26     Sep 5, 2003
  7. Don, I think you answered most of my qs but missed an important one. I was always fuzzy on this "capital contribution" thing. What am I, the individual trader liable for? Say I come in w/ 50K. I take on 500K of risk. I lose it all in an act of god. Do I owe you 450K?
     
    #27     Sep 5, 2003
  8. WarEagle

    WarEagle Moderator

    I find this intriguing. How is your software able to make the specialist let you out any faster than someone else?

    My orders show "cancel pending" immediately, but I am at the whim of the specialist and have had him wait forever to let me out or fill me immediately when he received the cancel request. I really don't think he pays attention to what software platform it was sent through.

    Am I missing something?
     
    #28     Sep 5, 2003
  9. As long as our traders don't violate any rules, they are "limited" partners, and thereby cannot lose any more money than they contributed initially. That, of course, is one reason that we watch the risk pretty closely....lol....

    Don
     
    #29     Sep 5, 2003
  10. Electronic cancels for orders away from NBBO has been added to our basket manager. This, and a a couple of other things have really helped in recent months. It was developed on RediExpress, and then added to our newer versions.

    Don
     
    #30     Sep 5, 2003