Enough already! It's not random

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by kut2k2, Mar 12, 2008.

  1. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    I've done the overall daily return distribution analysis that you first suggested and here are the results:

    1,256 positive deviations from the median daily return
    1,256 negative deviations from the median daily return
    1 zero deviation (ignored)
    1,348 runs

    The runs-test analysis yields a z-score of 3.632.

    So the chance of getting 1,348 runs in a random sequence of 1,256 positive deviations and 1,256 negative deviations is one out of 7,112.

    The daily returns of the S&P 500 from 2 Jan 1998 to 31 Dec 2007 are not remotely iid (independent and identically distributed).
     
    #81     Mar 13, 2008
  2. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Not basically. TA is far more art than science, and too much of it is at best a valiant failure. Many beginning traders have been burned by touted TA methods that are too weak, and in some cases downright fraudulent, to produce a profitable edge. So some become adamantly anti-TA in all its forms, whether they've tried all of those forms or not. Some become strongly polemic about which types of TA they approve and which types they disapprove. It's almost like arguing about politics in this forum sometimes.
    There may be some anti-math bias with some but there are other people who are strong in math who still don't trust TA. It takes more than math to find a new and useful indicator, it takes creativity ... or luck.

    The real problem, which not everybody sees as a problem, is that any TA that actually works well is likely to be kept secret by the discoverer(s), because they have no incentive to share such knowledge with the general public. As a result, most TA researchers are working solo, hoping to gather bits and pieces from various sources to combine into a TA strategy that works.
     
    #82     Mar 15, 2008
  3. True.In the professional world of trading markets, institutions and all other types of big player keep their formulae and methodologies as secretive as possible. It has been and will always be like that.And no offence intended but by contrast ET is just a cowboy outpost where the age of the automobile has not arrived yet.
     
    #83     Mar 15, 2008
  4. Thank you, kut2k2 for your explanations. :) However, does that mean that the truth and success of TA shall not be known? I have my doubts, as so many traders have shared their successful trading experiences, so why not the same in TA?
     
    #84     Apr 10, 2008
  5. kut2k2, thanks for the reply, a good one. :)

    TraderSystem, I echo the same feelings. :) However, I would like to add, that experiences whether good or bad, successful or failure, have helped others learn from them.
     
    #85     Apr 11, 2008
  6. workyboy

    workyboy

    Kut2k2,
    You are correct in that there is a man behind the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz. He sets the range and then lets the money chasers lose to take out stops and have the munchkins (most traders) drive the market in the desired direction just to take their money when they think their doing well.
    It is fun and sad at the same time to watch them manipulate indicators
    and then take out stops.
    My trading has improved greatly with this cynical view.
    92 percenter
     
    #86     Dec 15, 2010
  7. Interesting post, workyboy :)
     
    #87     Dec 21, 2010