"End The IRS Before It Ends Us..." -- Grover Norquist

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Scataphagos, Apr 28, 2015.

  1. achilles28

    achilles28

    Taxing the poor is NOT immoral. Everyone uses Government services, so EVERYONE PAYS. No dog in the fight = the many vote for the few for dinner. When everyone has to dole out for more "free goodies", few are inclined to vote in favor as there is no free lunch.

    Progressive taxation creates a free lunch system. The few pay for the many, so the many keep voting for more and more "benefits" as it doesn't cost them a thing. After a few decades, tax rates go from 15%, to 25%, to >50%, and the Government explodes in size. Pure dogshit system created by morons.

    The poor NEVER pay their "fair share". Do the math. On a per person basis, the rich pay their way 10-100 times over, while the poor don't even cover a fraction of their individual cost. Yet the poor and their advocates always demand somebody else "pay more".
     
    #71     Apr 30, 2015
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  2. loyek590

    loyek590

    and as far as tariffs go, that is the worse possible solution. I mean, take a toke and just think about it for two minutes.

    2 minutes later

    well how'd that go?
    "Yeah, tariffs are a bad idea, but that is some damn good weed."
     
    #72     Apr 30, 2015
  3. loyek590

    loyek590

    taxing the poor is not immoral, but it is a very stupid idea. If you think you want more money who would you tax, the rich or the poor?
     
    #73     Apr 30, 2015
  4. loyek590

    loyek590

    it's immoral to tax the poor to pay for some war that will never have any direct affect on their lifestyle. And it is immoral to tax the poor so they can have a new stadium for their NFL team which the new sports related sales tax in many states now do.

    You are so preoccupied with making sure the poor pay their fair share. Better you should be preoccupied with how to eliminate the poor. Then we wouldn't have to worry about them.

    Someone said, "The poor will always be among you." That guy didn't last very long, but many will kill and die for Him.

    I look at hunger and poverty as done deals. There is no reason, no reason at all for any citizen of the world today to be poor or hungry.
     
    #74     Apr 30, 2015
  5. jem

    jem

    Piezoe I appreciate your comments... so I will give you mine... ahead of time.
    As Orwell put it, it

    The real division is not between conservatives and revolutionaries but between authoritarians and libertarians.”

    George Orwell, The Lost Orwell: Being a Supplement to The Complete Works of George Orwell

    Anyone siding with virtually the entire crop of democrats or the establishment Republicans is siding with the authoritarians.

    And Soros knows it. After Kennedy its been all banker and their S&P 500 all the time. For a while it was Eastern Elite and Bankers vs the Oil industry and manufacturers. But as manufacturing got outsourced and leveraged there is no longer any infighting in the establishment. Soro's team of Bankers is the team... they are the Chamber of Congress and they are the guys who run the Democrat team.

    Its sellout Democrats and sellout Republicans vs the libertarians and the tea party.
    Soros opposes opposition to his establishment buddies.
    He also had a personal grudge match with the Bush's from what I read... that may have made it look like he was a good guy... but he is Authoritarian and Crony to the core.
    He hates individual and local rule.

    edit... it should have said chamber of commerce not chamber of congress. although they are that too.


     
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    #75     Apr 30, 2015
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  6. loyek590

    loyek590

    yes, isn't that what it has come down to. Nothing more than an argument about who is going to be in charge when it is all over.

    What they don't get is we want nobody to be in charge. That really messes with their minds.
     
    #76     Apr 30, 2015
  7. jem

    jem

    I enjoy reading many of your posts... not that I can predict what they will say.

     
    #77     Apr 30, 2015
  8. loyek590

    loyek590

    I love talking about taxes. You can talk about "Big Government" and I'm sure they screw me silently in too many ways to know, but my only real interaction with them is on April 15th when I pay my income taxes.
     
    #78     Apr 30, 2015
  9. piezoe

    piezoe

    Jem, you might enjoy reading Gore Vidal's "Imperial America" . He refers to mainstream politicians as "Bankers" as in Banker Kennedy, Banker Carter, etc.

    Soros is brilliant, well-educated, vastly experienced, and exceedingly complex, with a near comprehensive knowledge of 20th Century U.S., European and British history. If you want to understand him, you'll have to read him. You shouldn't rely on media stories, Youtube conspiracy videos, or the opinions of others (including mine). Read Soros. There is no lack of material. Then decide for yourself. The interviews on PBS with Charlie Rose on youtube are excellent places to go to get the flavor of the man, but they only scratch the surface..
     
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    #79     Apr 30, 2015
  10. jem

    jem

    I have watched the man for many years... I saw him on charlie rose and I have read what he says. With traders you have to understand that they are always full of shit and frequently talking their book.

    When I saw him tell rose that pain in the back crap... I knew that many was so full of shit it was scary. When you get feed inside deals like he does and he tells Rose that crap... I almost puked.

    You need to dig deeper than the crap he puts out for consumption. you have to understand who he works for


    Here... he gave a lecture...

    http://c14989882.r82.cf2.rackcdn.co...-general-theory-of-reflexivity-transcript.pdf

    here he explains that his critics argue is philosphy is obvious and he admits his critics are partially correct.

    if you really read this guy.. .you realize that like Greenspan uses Rand to cover up his banker ties... and Buffett uses his tiny home (he has big ones too) to act like he is a man of the people rather than the banker crony he is...

    soros uses this reflexivity crap and the pain in the back... to cover up for the banker puppet he is. He is a spokes puppet for the bankers... , like buffet, like the pimpco guys....
    When the left needs to push some theft of liberty crap... they march these guys out like trained seals.

    Buffet saying taxes don't matter... was the height of seal tricks for the public. But soros has told other whopppers.
     
    #80     Apr 30, 2015