Elon Musk is a fucking moron

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Frederick Foresight, Nov 2, 2023.

  1. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    They don't care, for now at least. The stock is down obviously, but it's because of the business, not the Tweets. Now you of course will argue that, so whatever. But if $175 was the low, and it does its usual TSLA thing, climbing the price charts on the backs of shorts... pretty sure the board and investors will pinch their nose and smile.

    TSLA is not a stock, it's a mathematical machine that takes money from those who don't understand how it works. Elon is the marketing department for that machine.
     
    #191     Feb 7, 2024
  2. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    #192     Feb 8, 2024
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So Elon Musk claims he obtained a secret private Disney DEI Memo.

    The reality: The "memo" was publicly released in 2020.


    Elon Musk Calls Disney 'DEI Gestapo' After Memo Leak: 'No Wonder Most Of Their Content ... Has Sucked'
    https://www.benzinga.com/general/en...leak-no-wonder-most-of-their-content-has-suck

    Musk Dragged After 'Anonymous Source' Leaks Disney's Already-Public Inclusion Standards
    The X owner claimed an 'anonymous source' sent him a secret inclusion standards chart from Disney—except 'The Hollywood Reporter' shared the chart in an article in 2020 after Disney made it public.
    https://www.comicsands.com/musk-disney-public-inclusion-chart-2667205245.html
     
    #193     Feb 9, 2024
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The only thing that Musk's Boring company has produced is toxic sludge.

    Elon Musk’s Tunnel Reportedly Oozing With Skin-Burning Chemical Sludge
    "You’d be like, 'Why am I on fire?'
    https://futurism.com/the-byte/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-sludge

    Sludge Metal
    Despite a decade of dreaming, Elon Musk has only built one tiny Hyperloop tunnel in Las Vegas — and the people who built it say it's filled with dangerous chemical sludge.

    As Bloomberg reports, the Boring Company's scarce output — which thus far amounts only to driving Teslas around a few miles of neon-lit tunnel underneath Sin City as they ferry convention attendees at no more than 40 miles per hour — has also come with a massive buildup of waste, the consistency of a milkshake, that's said to burn the skin of anyone who comes in contact with it.

    In interviews with the news source, Boring Company workers who declined to give their names on the record for fear of retribution said that in some parts of Musk's Vegas tunnel system, the sludge would sometimes be up to two feet high. If it got over their work boots or onto their faces, they said, it would burn their skin.

    "You’d be like, 'Why am I on fire?'" one person who worked on the Hyperloop tunnels told Bloomberg.

    Toxic Avenger
    At one of the dig sites, which sits underneath the Encore Las Vegas hotel, the chemical sludge was filled not only with the commonplace byproducts of sand, silt, and water, but also accelerants used to set the grout to build the tunnels. As the sludge built up, so too did its associated safety risks — and as the workers told Nevada's Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), people getting burned by the sludge was an almost routine occurrence.

    The state OSHA opened its own investigation into the outrageous safety hazards said to be present in the Boring Company tunnels, and as Bloomberg learned from documents it accessed via a Freedom of Information Act request, some workers were scarred permanently from their accelerant burns.

    Beyond burning people on the regular, the sludge literally gummed up the works in other dangerous ways as well — though apparently, nobody's been killed yet.

    As Boring employees told OSHA, for instance, an intern almost got crushed by some two-ton concrete bins last summer when they collapsed because its metal brackets had become overloaded with the stuff.

    The agency ultimately fined Boring more than $112,000 over eight violations it deemed "serious." The company is, as Musk businesses are wont to do, contesting it.

    "Nevada OSHA has failed to establish that the alleged violations occurred," a Boring Company attorney wrote in a November 21 letter, which Bloomberg viewed via its FOIA request.

    Massively overstated promises and workplace violations are a dime a dozen when it comes to Musk's portfolio — but toxic sludge is a new one.
     
    #194     Feb 27, 2024
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  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see the latest bullshiat spewing from Elon Musk.

    Claim: There is “clear scientific consensus” that “hormonal birth control makes you fat, doubles risk of depression and triples risk of suicide.”


    Elon Musk says there’s ‘scientific consensus’ on birth control depression, suicide risk. He’s wrong.

    https://www.politifact.com/factchec...usk-says-theres-scientific-consensus-on-birt/
    • There is no scientific consensus that hormonal contraceptives, such as the pill and intrauterine devices, double the risk of depression and triple the risk of suicide. Tesla CEO Elon Musk based his claim on a single 2017 study that experts said is limited and does not prove a causal relationship.
    • Medical experts and contraceptive researchers said there is mixed data on hormonal birth control’s side effects, including on depression, and that the overall risk of suicide is low. Research shows that most types of hormonal birth control do not affect weight.
    • The claim ignores that many women use birth control to treat painful periods and other disorders, such as endometriosis and polycystic ovary syndrome, as well as the negative mental health outcomes that can arise from unplanned pregnancy.
    Elon Musk says people in developed countries should have more babies. The Tesla CEO, who has fathered 11 children, is now warning women about what he says are birth control’s dangerous side effects.

    "Hormonal birth control makes you fat, doubles risk of depression & triples risk of suicide," Musk wrote Feb. 16, on his platform, X. "This is the clear scientific consensus, but very few people seem to know it." To support his claim, Musk shared two links about a 2017 study from Denmark that said hormonal birth control could be linked to higher suicide risk.

    But experts in reproductive health and contraception research criticized Musk’s conclusion, and said the single study, which has noted limitations, is far from "consensus."

    Using hormonal contraception, such as birth control pills and intrauterine devices, can come with psychological side effects. But experts said that the overall risk of severe side effects is low. Musk’s post ignores that many women also take birth control to treat painful periods and health conditions, such as endometriosis and polycystic ovary syndrome.

    The Denmark paper showed an increase in suicide risk in people who used hormonal contraception, "but in no way can it definitively claim the birth control was the cause; rather, it is a correlation," said Dr. Jennifer Lincoln, a board-certified OB-GYN and social media educator based in Portland, Oregon. "This study was a registry review, not a blinded randomized control trial, so this can only tell us association, which is interesting but in no way should broad sweeping conclusions a la Elon be made."

    Registry studies use databases to evaluate specified outcomes in certain populations and are often considered observational.

    We emailed the X press account for additional evidence and received an automatic reply: "Busy now, please check back later."

    What is hormonal birth control?
    Hormonal contraception refers to birth control methods that contain estrogen and progesterone, or progesterone only, to prevent pregnancy. These methods can block the release of eggs from the ovaries, thin the uterus’s lining, or thicken mucus in the cervix to keep sperm from reaching the egg.

    Hormonal birth control methods, which include the pill, ring, patch, shot, IUD (intrauterine device) and implant, are considered more effective — around 90% to 99% depending on correct and consistent usage — than almost all nonhormonal methods that prevent pregnancy without changing or affecting a person’s natural hormone production or period cycle. Nonhormonal methods include condoms, diaphragms and contraceptive gels.

    Hormonal birth control, like many other medicines, has beneficial effects and potential risks that affect people differently. The most common side effects are nausea, headaches, breast tenderness and irregular periods. These usually subside, doctors say, within a few months once hormone levels balance out.

    What the study and other research says about birth control and depression, suicide risks
    The 2017 study that Musk referred to was published in the American Journal of Psychiatry by researchers in Denmark who used a national registry that tracked women ages 15 and older who were living in the country from 1996 to 2013.

    The paper analyzed prescriptions along with deaths and medical records with "suicide attempt" coding. It found that women who had used hormonal contraceptives had up to triple the risk of suicide as women who never took hormonal birth control. In a 2017 Time article that Musk linked, the researchers noted that the absolute risk of suicide "was still extremely low."

    The study’s lead author, Charlotte Wessel Skovlund, told PolitiFact that Musk had a short post that sums up her findings in a "very unnuanced matter" but affirmed her studies found those risks for depression and suicide.

    Skovlund said the studies were observational, and could, therefore, "only see if there is an association between hormonal contraception and the different depression parameters, not a causal link."

    Other researchers and reproductive health experts said the results warrant further study but aren’t conclusive and don’t represent scientific consensus.

    "When looking directly at that data, we are talking about an extremely small number of people," said Dr. Michael Belmonte, an OB-GYN and complex family planning subspecialist based in Washington, D.C. The data shows that among the 475,802 women sampled, there were 6,999 suicide attempts (1.47%) and 71 suicides (0.01%). "While this study has found an association, it is unable to say that hormonal birth control is the cause," Belmonte said

    The study focused solely on suicide and suicide attempts, not depression or weight gain. A separate study by the same authors found an increased prevalence of depression among hormonal birth control users. Belmonte said other studies that have examined this are mixed, "without consistent evidence of mood effects."

    Two contemporaneous reports also cited the study’s limitations, including a November 2018 paper that Musk linked. The paper said the analysis lacked information on "risk factors" that may influence the relationship between contraception and suicidal behavior, such as relationship status, domestic abuse exposure and family history of mental health diagnoses.

    In a July 2018 letter, biomedical experts in psychiatry and psychology noted other concerns. The suicide risk seemed to be higher for former hormonal birth control users, compared with recent or current users, they said, suggesting that "factors other than hormonal contraception medications are at work." The study also didn't specify which psychiatric diagnoses were controlled for, including substance use disorders and mood disorders.

    The letter’s authors said the study doesn’t allow for attributing an association specifically to hormonal contraception because it didn’t compare hormonal birth control users with people who used nonhormonal methods. It cited a 2013 study that found a lower suicide risk among hormonal contraception users than for those using nonhormonal methods or no contraception.

    Nearly all forms of birth control involving estrogen can increase the risk of serious health problems, but researchers and medical experts say risks are rare. Some research also suggests that birth control may increase the risk of some forms of cancer, while decreasing the risk of others.

    Research shows the pill, patch, ring, and IUD are unlikely to cause any weight changes, while the birth control shot and implant may cause some people, but not all, to gain weight.

    Dr. Jenni Villavicencio is an OB-GYN and senior director of public affairs at the Society of Family Planning, a nonprofit organization specializing in abortion and contraception science. She said decades of rigorous research show that "any method of birth control is safe for use in individuals with depressive disorder."

    "It’s advisable for people experiencing mental health or mood challenges to seek care from an expert as well as ongoing monitoring when starting any new medication," Villavicencio said.

    Besides preventing pregnancy, hormonal birth control can also offer different health benefits, such as lightening periods, easing cramps and treating polycystic ovary syndrome, or PCOS.

    Lincoln, the Oregon-based OB-GYN, said the Denmark study didn’t address how many birth control users deal with painful and heavy periods, painful sex and other debilitating health issues.

    "All things that alone can increase risk for undiagnosed mental health disorders and — you guessed it — suicide risk," she said.

    The study’s researchers said women should be "informed" about these "little-recognized potential side effects." Lincoln said doctors routinely do this already, and discuss with patients concerns about depression, anxiety or thoughts of self-harm.

    Our ruling
    Musk said there is "clear scientific consensus" that hormonal birth control makes people gain weight and doubles the risk of depression and triples the risk of suicide.

    Musk referred to a single 2017 study that experts said is limited and does not prove a causal relationship.

    Research shows that most types of hormonal birth control do not affect weight, though some can. Medical experts and contraceptive researchers said there is mixed data on hormonal birth control’s side effects, including depression, and that the overall risk of suicide is low.

    Musk’s claim ignores that many women use birth control to treat painful periods and other disorders, as well as the negative mental health outcomes that can arise from unplanned pregnancy.

    We rate his claim False.

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    #195     Feb 29, 2024
  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Just BS talking points from alt-righters to "combat great replacement" of whitey by having more kids.
     
    #196     Feb 29, 2024
  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Elon sure loves suing everyone. Most of his suits don't go very well. Many of his suits leave judges only questioning in the courtroom how much of an idiot Elon is.

    Federal judge mocks Elon Musk’s X lawsuit targeting hate speech researchers
    https://www.cnn.com/elon-musk-ccdh-x-lawsuit-judge-skeptical/index.html

    Elon Musk’s Lawsuit Against a Group That Found Hate Speech on X Isn’t Going Well
    X alleges that the Center for Countering Digital Hate cost it millions by showing that hate speech was spreading on the platform. In a hearing Thursday, a federal judge sounded skeptical of those claims.
    https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-lawsuit-hate-speech-x/


    But Elon does not relent in his frivolous suits; he simply files more of them on specious grounds.


    Elon Musk sues OpenAI and CEO Sam Altman, claiming betrayal of its goal to benefit humanity
    https://apnews.com/article/microsoft-sam-altman-openai-chatgpt-425186c7640aa3d0956e99314a9240e2
     
    Last edited: Mar 1, 2024
    #197     Mar 1, 2024
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    I will agree these lawyers are greedy as hell. However Musk undermined Telsa with an absurd outsized pay package to the detriment of shareholders. It is good to see Musk get some of his own medicine with a sour taste.

    Lawyers who sunk Elon Musk's big pay package are now asking for nearly $6 billion worth of Tesla stock. Musk doesn't seem happy.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/elo...-pay-package-lawyers-six-billion-stock-2024-3
     
    #198     Mar 2, 2024
  9. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    For those missing the news over the past week, Musk sued OpenAI for "for choosing profits over 'the benefit of humanity'" -- claiming that the found principles of OpenAI required it not to seek profits.

    In response OpenAI has publicly provided numerous emails showing Elon Musk demanding the company focus on profits. Of course, this is the exact opposite of what Elon states in his lawsuit -- and is a typical representation of behavior by Musk.

    OpenAI publishes Elon Musk’s emails. ‘We’re sad that it’s come to this’
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/06/tech/openai-elon-musk-emails/index.html
     
    #199     Mar 6, 2024
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Musk's charity giving is a scam. Nearly all the money lands back up in his own pocket. I guess he did learn something from Donald Trump. Of course, Musk also criticizes other wealthy people who give to legitimate charity causes.

    Elon Musk Has a Giant Charity. Its Money Stays Close to Home.
    After making billions in tax-deductible donations to his philanthropy, the owner of Tesla and SpaceX gave away far less than required in some years — and what he did give often supported his own interests.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/10/... York Times analysis,or one of his businesses.
     
    #200     Mar 12, 2024