Elite Trader's Gambler's Anonymous ETGA

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  1. If the other pairs were thrown in, their trade sizes would be divided over the TOTAL portfolio pairs. No additional risk would be taken. The reason for the dilution would be to capture the different timeframes of volatility as fast as possible. There is a slight acceleration of realized due to the percentage default trade ticket, giving a slight martingale.


     
    #111     May 1, 2005
  2. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    ok revised calculation for you, 30 pips apart

    move from 1.55 to 1.90

    drawdown? 218 000 pips

    and there is NOWAYS you will profit 300 pips per day on gbpusd using a 30 pip system, you may take in 20 000 pips during that run

    so you still have a drawndown of 200 000 pips in just 4 to 6 months months - and that is only 1 pair!

    $50 000 account trading 10 cents a pip - unrealized loss of $20k

    and again, that is just ONE USD PAIR

    throw in the others and you would get account wipeout easily

    to trade this safely it would have to be at such a low leverage (like 1 cent a pip on a 50k account), you are better off putting your money in a CD
     
    #112     May 1, 2005
  3. Hopefully you're getting started at a good time.

    Check out the quarterly chart of the GBP/USD attached.

    This system likely would have profited handsomely from 1987 to 1992 as the pair was range bound between 1.50 - 2.00

    I haven't heard you mention it directly so I'll just say one last thing.

    You have to add some way to remove profits from the system in a calculated way.

    I believe while running this system you will find that if you track the range from initiation of your system you may find your account balance peaks (realized & unrealized) when the price is trading at the exact middle of the range.

    This is the time to take some profits out.

    In my perspective there are no profits until they are out of the trading account and stored or spent.
     
    #113     May 1, 2005
  4. The hard part is to build the pool....


     
    #114     May 1, 2005
  5. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    slight martingale would not even make a dent in a strong move like that, you talking 100% ROI? so in 4 to 6 months, its about 30-40% - so boost your realized profits and money "banked" by 30-40%, still doesnt help all that much IMO



    look at all the other USD pairs electric

    instead of helping you it makes the whole thing much worse

    they all will post massive unrealized losses
     
    #115     May 1, 2005
  6. jasonjm,

    How are you calculating all this so fast? How do you get my money banked that low?

    Michael B.
     
    #116     May 1, 2005
  7. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    to safely "build the pool" you will have to use such low leverage it makes the whole idea questionable

    lets take a $100k account that can withstand a severe GBPUSD move, say 3500 pip move

    that is a drawdown of 200 000 pips

    at 5 cents a pip, that would mean unrealized loss of $10k which is acceptable (remember lots of other pairs would also post a big unrealized)


    so trading gbpusd for 5 cents a pip on a 100k account yields what? maybe $10 a day

    multiply by 250 trading days

    $2500

    now actually that isnt looking so bad to me as long as the range comes back

    $2500 a year x 10 pairs (sympatico trades too many correlated pairs imo)

    thats $25k per year - that is actually a VERY VERY good return, slightly more with martingale, maybe $30k? 25% to 30% ROI

    so answer my own question,

    *****i guess this system can work*****

    but I bet after laying out these caclulations, the MARGIN TO TRADE AT IS WAY WAY WAY lower than anyone dare dreamed of
     
    #117     May 1, 2005
  8. jasonjm,

    I accept the carry of the unrealized.

    I need to know how to go about calculating Oanda's trade tickit in percent based on the pair traded. The percent will be different because of the differing 10Y ranges. I have using a current condition of Drawdown to make it variable. But I need to get the base.

    Thank you for your time.

    Michael B.
     
    #118     May 1, 2005
  9. jasonjm

    jasonjm

    unless someone can show me where i went wrong in my calculations, the correct trade ticket size on oanda (at 50:1 leverage) would be about

    0.02%

    (that is assuming 30 pip gbpusd short/long entry spreads and TP)

    (Also assuming trading 10 of the least correlated pairs)

    at those settings I doubt that unrealized loss will go much beyond 30% of total account even in worst case scenarios

     
    #119     May 1, 2005
  10. jasonjm,

    That seems reasonable to me.

    Now for the pairs.

    Here is sympatico's list.

    AUD/JPY
    AUD/USD
    CHF/JPY
    EUR/AUD
    EUR/CHF
    EUR/GBP
    EUR/JPY
    EUR/USD
    GBP/CHF
    GBP/JPY
    GBP/USD
    NZD/USD
    USD/CAD
    USD/CHF
    USD/JPY


    I also trade three pairs in another interest carry system (SYSTEM#2), so when choosing from Sympatico's list I need to rememebr I already have these three:

    AUD/JPY
    GBP/CHF
    EUR/HUF

    Should pairs be chosen that have the narrowest 10Y ranges? Or it just the independance of correation? There will only be three pairs if the latter is true.

    Michael B.
     
    #120     May 1, 2005
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