Ron, what's going on Lad? This continual rearranging of deck chairs on the Titanic has to end. Wrong time for that. Chief strategist for DeSantis super PAC resigns after "false" statements by new chairman Dec. 17 (UPI) -- The chief Republican strategist for the super PAC that is helping organize Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis's campaign for president resigned after the group's new chairman made "false" statements about former employees. Jeff Roe's abrupt departure late Saturday from the "Never Back Down" PAC comes after several high-level officials in the organization were fired two weeks ago following the arrival of new chairman, Scott Wagner. Chief strategist for DeSantis super PAC resigns after "false" statements by new chairman (msn.com)
Here's the thing Tree, and by all means correct me if I'm wrong... but if Biden/Harris don't run.... it won't matter. If Trump is the GOP candidate, the dyed in the wool Dems will come out in droves and vote for whoever. That's a given. The independents.... if they were already set to not vote for Trump, with or without a viable candidate, their vote is not going his way. So it comes down to who has the bigger base. I think the Dems do, so Mickey Mouse could run... and win. Newsome for sure could pull it off. But you know better than I in these matters so.... I'll just stop here and check on the futures, which I'm sure are flat.
It is complicated of course because although the dems may have the bigger base in the aggregate there is that pesky little Electoral College and you have to go state by state. The reality is that even the dems have traditionally had get out the vote strengths, party number strengths, all these damn elections nevertheless turn out to be divided by just a pubic hair's width of votes. While accepting your larger point, I am not there in regard to "even Mickey Mouse could win." Joe is more feeble but also far, far, far to the left of what he ran on last time. And the dems cannot afford to get fewer votes, or to put a California lefty in there based on the idea that anyone could win. If they do an analysis that says that their person is still stronger than Trump, well that is one thing. But it needs to be based on that rather than on a dangerous assumption that dems just have more votes on general. I think Hillary and Obama would advise that as well. Also, if they do an analysis that says that their person can still beat trump, how do you know that Trump will be the pubs candidate? This is going to be a close election because- well- they all are no matter what you do these days. I would watch out for the Rumsfeldian scenario that I have mentioned before, knowing that many people's eyes glaze over. But you have or could have some piddling little third party that takes just ten percent and another one - say Jill Stein who takes- say- 1 percent. Okay so far. Now assume then that the vote is close in the electoral college- could happen, eh. And assume further that because some third party took a pittance of votes then neither of the major parties can get over the 50 percent required to win. What then? And don't think for a minute that is impossible just because it is not probably (or is it?). Well under the constitution the vote then goes to the house in which case it becomes more of a matter of what the votes in the house look like rather than all those registered dem voters out there. Also possible, is that the few third party electoral delegates get released by their party No Labels for example to vote for one of the candidates. Say for example Manchin/No Labels gets a handful and in the end the party leadership of No Labels release their electoral college voters to vote for Biden. Just sayin, this is a complicated game shaping up. Just because some things seem laughable now doesn't mean they won't get more attention down the road. Crazy sh@t happens. The first election of "no way he will ever be elected Donald Trump" proved that. Regardless of what the battle looks like, never go to battle with Mickey Mouse commanding. You have lots of hispanics, jews, blacks who are not there for Joe at the levels they have been in the past. The dems think they will always be there for the dems. They will, just not at the level that got him elected last time. Other than that, it's all good.
Want more complications? In the House, each state gets one vote. We have 50 states... what if there's a tie there? See -->Season 4, episode 10 of Veep.
Yep. I have not looked at in detail in the constitution but from memory- I believe that the House only selects the President but the Senate elects the vice president and they do not need to be of the same party. YIKES ON STEROIDS. Presiden Donald J. Trump Vice President Kamala Harris What could go wrong there? Or how does that work. President Trump and Biden the VP? I need a batman decoder ring for some of this.
If it's a tie in the electoral college, the House, with one vote for each state, picks the president. The first one to 26 votes wins. The Senate picks the VP. If there's a tie in the House regarding who becomes President, then the Vice-President elect, ie whoever the Senate chose to be VP.... they become President. And there can't be a tie in the Senate... as the current VP will then vote and the tie will be broken.* The Founding Fathers apparently covered every base. *civics courtesy of HBO.
Well yeh, they thought of everything except they were not always geniuses and did not escape that old human tendency to learn by screwing up too. As I said, I am little hazy on some of this but if memory serves, the process for settling the outcome of votes that we have been discussing was actually their second bite at the apple, ie an amendment to the origional scheme. Under the orginal constitutional scheme, the electoral college made the candidate who got the most votes for president the president. And the candidate who got the second most votes for president became Vice President.That turned out to be a disaster because the president's political opponent became their VP. Think Thomas Jefferson and Aaron Burr. Fugly man, absolutely fugly. Then later there was a constitutional amendment making the presidency and the vice presidency two separate electoral races. In other words the vp was the winner of the vp race and not just the first runner up in the race for president. They had to do a little clean-up on aisle two there.
Not afraid of average Democrats and Independents coming out to vote. It is the massive election fraud we should all be worried about. They already did it on November 8, 2020 with the assistance of the RINOs in Arizona and Georgia for starters. They can put a monkey as nominee for the Democrat Party and that monkey can end up winning and becoming POTUS. Republicans are not even focused on the cheating and acting like everything is hunky dory. And with the open borders we have, I would not be surprised if millions of illegals who crossed our borders end up voting on November 8, 2024. We as a country is finished if they manage to cheat on a massive scale yet, again. This is our last chance. Republicans will become a teeny tiny fringe party like in California if they continue to allow the massive fraud happening.