Election 2024 Foreplay

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Feb 1, 2023.

  1. Sure, and according to that logic, when Bernie comes out says he supports her running or participation, that that means that Bernie is a right wing shill too.

    Might want to work on that a bit.
     
    #141     Mar 17, 2023
  2. I don't disagree with part of that. As I said, Trump will dominate the early part of primary. Gets messy further along. Yes, your point will be that it gets better because a diluted vote keeps Trump in first place. Not necessarily (and I get the whole winner-take-all vs. proportioning states factor). To stop Trump there will need to be some strategic dropping out. And if that does not happen, well, there are problems. If it does happen because Republicans want to win, then Trump has problems.

    And yes, they will start out and kickstart in solid Trump states and that will create a roar. But that also is very dicey too, is it not? If there are too many empty seats there in those Trump-owned states that will not bode well for further down the road. Just don't show me lots of empty seats and then you can keep your theory going. Trump has been announced for quite a while now, so not sure about this talk about what Trump will do. Shouldn't he be off doing that everyday by now. Whatever.

    You know, CPAC is a solid Trump territory/forum. And Trump -sprize, sprize- took the lead straw in the straw vote there.

    But when Trump spoke there he did not even fill the room. . Whoa...watch out dat!

    Also, out of my usual generosity of spirit, I agree that DeSantis's personality is somewhat mushroomic so that is a factor that works against him amongst the many that work for him. But I will give you that.
     
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    #142     Mar 17, 2023
  3. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    what a flipflopping little bitch:

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    #143     Mar 17, 2023
  4. UsualName

    UsualName

    No you need to try to follow the various complexities. Williamson being used as a shill has nothing to do with her political positions but her disgruntlement. The eighties aren’t engaging her to debate her political positions, they’re amplifying her grievances to undermine democrats. It really doesn’t matter, it’s a minor squabble and the fight is mostly taking place on your media because it’s not actually a substantial issue.
     
    #144     Mar 17, 2023
  5. Correct, as I started out by saying: "it's pathetic" that the dems are so threatened by a non-entity challenging Biden that they feel the need to do a hit job on her. Whereas Bernie just took the high road and said "she brings a lot to discussion."

    What are you and your ilk going to do when a real challenger confronts Biden? Yeh, that'll lead to some breathing into the paper bag for sure.
     
    #145     Mar 17, 2023
  6. Another day out on the campaign trail?

    No doubt it is red meat for the immovable portion of his base so we can skip that.

    The lefties in New York trying to put the screws to Trump to make a name for themselves are actually putting the screws to the DNC and company. Trump is the candidate they want to run against.

    Trump says he expects to be arrested Tuesday as New York law enforcement prepares for possible indictment

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/18/politics/donald-trump-manhattan-da-arrest-protests/index.html
     
    #146     Mar 18, 2023
  7. I heard a report somewhere that at this stage of the campaign in 2007 (before Obama's first election) that the leading candidates in the polls were Hillary Clinton for the dems and Rudy Guiliani for the pubs.

    Some lessons there I think, along with some entertainment value.

    Fortunately, Hillary is gone for good now, right? I mean I don't have to say for the umptiddy-dumpth time that politicians are "like the fly on your potato salad. Just when you think you nailed the the mother and he is gone....bzzzzzzz........he is baaaaaaaaack."

    We already got some buzzing around the potato salad again by Chris Christie. I thought we nailed that mother and put him away too. but nope...bzzzzzzzz.
     
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    #147     Mar 18, 2023
  8. #148     Mar 18, 2023
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  9. Mercor

    Mercor

    From the article

    The New York case would be easily dismissed outside of a jurisdiction like New York, where Bragg can count on highly motivated judges and jurors.

    Although it may be politically popular, the case is legally pathetic. Bragg is struggling to twist state laws to effectively prosecute a federal case long ago rejected by the Justice Department against Trump over his payment of “hush money” to former stripper Stormy Daniels. In 2018 (yes, that is how long this theory has been around), I wrote how difficult such a federal case would be under existing election laws. Now, six years later, the same theory may be shoehorned into a state claim.

    It is extremely difficult to show that paying money to cover up an embarrassing affair was done for election purposes as opposed to an array of obvious other reasons, from protecting a celebrity’s reputation to preserving a marriage.

    In this case, Trump reportedly paid Daniels $130,000 in the fall of 2016 to cut off or at least reduce any public scandal. The Southern District of New York’s U.S. Attorney’s office had no love lost for Trump, pursuing him and his associates in myriad investigations, but it ultimately rejected a prosecution based on the election law violations. It was not alone: The Federal Election Commission (FEC) chair also expressed doubts about the theory.

    Prosecutors working under Bragg’s predecessor, Cyrus Vance Jr., also reportedly rejected the viability of using a New York law to effectively charge a federal offense.

    More importantly, Bragg himself previously expressed doubts about the case, effectively shutting it down soon after he took office. The two lead prosecutors, Carey R. Dunne and Mark F. Pomerantz, resigned in protest. Pomerantz launched a very public campaign against Bragg’s decision, including commenting on a still-pending investigation. He made it clear that Trump was guilty in his mind, even though his former office was still undecided and the grand jury investigation was ongoing.

    Pomerantz then did something that shocked many of us as highly unprofessional and improper: Over Bragg’s objection that he was undermining any possible prosecution, Pomerantz published a book detailing the case against an individual who was not charged, let alone convicted.

    He was, of course, an instant success in the media that have spent years highlighting a dozen different criminal theories that were never charged against Trump. Pomerantz followed the time-tested combination for success — link Donald Trump to any alleged crime and convey absolute certainty of guilt. For cable TV shows, it was like a heroin hit for an audience in a long agonizing withdrawal.

    And the campaign worked. Bragg caved, and “America’s Got Trump” apparently will air after all.

    However, before 12 jurors can vote, Bragg still has to get beyond a series of glaring problems which could raise serious appellate challenges later.

    While we still do not know the specific state charges in the anticipated indictment, the most-discussed would fall under Section 175 for falsifying business records, based on the claim that Trump used legal expenses to conceal the alleged hush-payments that were supposedly used to violate federal election laws. While some legal experts have insisted such concealment is clearly a criminal matter that must be charged, they were conspicuously silent when Hillary Clinton faced a not-dissimilar campaign-finance allegation.

    Last year, the Federal Election Commission fined the Clinton campaign for funding the Steele dossier as a legal expense. The campaign had previously denied funding the dossier, which was used to push false Russia collusion claims against Trump in 2016, and it buried the funding in the campaign’s legal budget. Yet, there was no hue and cry for this type of prosecution in Washington or New York.

    A Section 175 charge would normally be a misdemeanor. The only way to convert it into a Class E felony requires a showing that the “intent to defraud includes an intent to commit another crime or to aid or conceal the commission thereof.” That other crime would appear to be the federal election violations which the Justice Department previously declined to charge.

    The linkage to a federal offense is critical for another reason: Bragg’s office ran out of time to prosecute this as a misdemeanor years ago; the statute of limitations is two years. Even if he shows this is a viable felony charge, the longer five-year limitation could be hard to establish.

    Of course, none of these legalistic problems will be relevant in the coming frenzy. It will be a case that is nothing if not entertaining, one to which you can bring your popcorn — so long as you leave your principles behind.

    Indeed, some will view it as poetic justice for this former reality-TV host to be tried like a televised talent show. However, the damage to the legal system is immense whenever political pressure overwhelms prosecutorial judgment. The criminal justice system can be a terrible weapon when used for political purposes, an all-too-familiar spectacle in countries where political foes can be targeted by the party in power.

    None of this means Trump is blameless or should not be charged in other cases. However, we seem to be on the verge of watching a prosecution by plebiscite in this case. The season opener of “America’s Got Trump” might be a guaranteed hit with its New York audience — but it should be a flop as a prosecution.
     
    #149     Mar 18, 2023
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  10. Good to see that Alvin Bragg has apparently taken care of all other crime in New York City such that he has time and resources to go after Trump on this.

    Probably six people being stabbed on the subways right as I speak. If so, Alvin Bragg will have then back out on the street by sunset.
     
    #150     Mar 18, 2023