El-Erian: Brace for 'violent' shocks

Discussion in 'Economics' started by Businessman, Nov 26, 2022.

  1. VicBee

    VicBee

    I can't wait for the day an AI plugged to a quantum system fed with more variables than we can count comes up with quarterly and 5 year projections. Wouldn't take long for such a system to be more accurate than any humans can.
     
    #21     Nov 27, 2022
  2. Businessman

    Businessman

    They do say bear market rallies are better than the real thing.
     
    #22     Nov 27, 2022
  3. Businessman

    Businessman

    I am still waiting for the AI that can predict short term price action in the markets.
     
    #23     Nov 27, 2022
  4. schizo

    schizo

    Don't you ever take the time to understand what others have written? Some actually take their time thinking about it before writing.

    That said, I explicitly mentioned that my gripe with El-Erian and other economists is that they wait too damn long to make their calls. By then, it's become obvious even to lay people. In another word, their prediction is so obvious as to be unimportant.
     
    #24     Nov 27, 2022
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  5. VicBee

    VicBee

    I think everyone says everything all the time. The smart ones hedge their predictions by also saying the opposite ...
     
    #25     Nov 27, 2022
  6. Businessman

    Businessman

    I can agree with the late part. I disagree with the obvious part. It might be obvious to many of us on ET. But most people have no clue how bad things can get.

    A few months ago i was talking to my 35 year relative about the recession that is coming up. His take was recessions are no big deal because in 2009 he was still able to find a job when he left college.

    Jeff Bezos has been telling people not to spend on big ticket items. Late, yes, but better late than never. He might still reach one extra person and stop them taking an expensive car loan or scare them into delaying a house purchase.

    I remember back in July 2001 i stretched myself to buy my first house. This was 15 months after the Nasdaq topped. Then I lost my job in August 2001, a few days before i moved in. The job market had still been strong the first half of 2001, and so i wasn't that worried. But then September 11th hit the job market hard. 2002 was not a fun year for me.

    I don't remember any dire economic warnings in the middle of 2001, that would have made me think twice about buying that house. I guess there would have been some and that recession was so obvious to some, but that wasn't the kind of stuff i was reading or watching back then as a 29 year old. I did not join this forum until 2004.
     
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    #26     Nov 28, 2022
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  7. newwurldmn

    newwurldmn

    it did for the longest bull market /
    Economic growth cycle in modern American history.
     
    #27     Nov 28, 2022
  8. zdreg

    zdreg

    As an economist you are supposed to make outrageous calls until one day of those calls turns out correctly. Then you will be feted by the press by cnbc , the WSJ and maybe even win a Noble prize. Your previous long record of erroneous forecasts will likely have been be long forgotten.
     
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  9. Real Money

    Real Money

    Prolonging the cycle with zero-interest lending will debase the currency, cause bubbles in collateral asset markets, enable zombie corporations, and ultimately will reduce the central banks ability to fight inflation.

    You may not get inflation right away, but you will get it eventually. And at that time, you will have crippled the central banks ability to fight it, and will then be dealing with a severely indebted economy, dependent on interest rate suppression.

    You may support ZIRP, QE and all the "stimulus" measures the gov and banks put in place. But, ultimately, there is a price to pay.
     
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    #29     Nov 28, 2022
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  10. Zwaen

    Zwaen

    How woud you model unknown variables?
     
    #30     Nov 28, 2022