Edward O. Thorp on charting

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by truetype, Feb 20, 2017.

  1. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    You're really bringing up Demark? He's basically the modern Gann. Lots of complex, confusing methods....zero evidence of an edge when it's been systematically tested.
     
    #141     Mar 24, 2017
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  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    LOL. LTCM probably had a slew of systematic testing (besides Nobel winners) to back up their trading approach.

    While over the decades DeMark has been around he has had perhaps a dozen or more of the world's top traders use his stuff. Can't say whether or not they "tested" them. I'm am obviously not anywhere near top trader status but I have profitably used TD Sequential for 15+ years, all by just seeing what it does. And the results.
     
    #142     Mar 24, 2017
  3. I misinterpreted your question as being snide. But you can always ask the people themselves, rather than on a public board.

    Truth is, VN utilizes multiple tactics, he is the father of statistical arbitrage, afterall.

    surg
     
    #143     Mar 24, 2017
  4. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    And you're making billions on the beach with your laptop, at least when you're not cruising in your lambo. All thanks to Tom. Got it.

    You can take hype and anecdotal evidence. I'll stick with hard data.
     
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    #144     Mar 24, 2017
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  5. He sells an ultra expensive letter/market calling service, right?
     
    #145     Mar 24, 2017
  6. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    I read his book many years ago, so I'm a bit fuzzy on it, but I remember my main takeaways being:

    1) Schwartz found some temporary edges in the markets in the early 80s that worked for quite a while...and he really milked them. Even when I read the book (late 90s), those kind of edges were no longer available, especially for a retail trader.

    2) He was very vague about the specifics of his strategies. There wasn't enough information to classify it as traditional PA/TA or anything else.

    3) A lot of his success came to being at the right place at the right time. Even Jim Simons admits this about himself--that luck has played some role in his success. I don't think Schwartz admitted this, but he was certainly lucky at times. His success is not something anyone could replicate now.

    Is there any audited track record of Schwartz since he wrote the book (1998)? If his success was based on "timeless principles of price action," he should have continued making millions and be on a Forbes list by now.
     
    #146     Mar 24, 2017
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  7. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    If he does, I wonder if Hulbert or anyone else reviews his calls? Or are they too subjective to track?
     
    #147     Mar 24, 2017
  8. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    You missed this part somehow - "I'm am obviously not anywhere near top trader status ...."
    Also that I have been using Sequential for 15+ years as in 365 days each X 15.

    Close on my trading environment because although I don't own a laptop I do live near the beach here in sunny (not at the moment though) S FLA and drive an Italian a Alfa, not Lambo.

    Anyway stick with the crutch of "hard data" if that is what works for you, I'll stick with trading without any need of testing because actual results show me this is what works for me.
     
    #148     Mar 24, 2017
  9. MKTrader

    MKTrader

    15+ years of a so-called guru method every day and your still getting mediocre results? I'd stick with an index fund instead. If there were any edge, you'd be doing much better.

    As for needing a "crutch"--if I needed a real physical crutch, I'd rather have a real, factory-tested one than an imaginary one any day.

    Ciao.
     
    #149     Mar 24, 2017
  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    You continue assuming crutchman (in more ways than one), while I'll continue trading.

    C ya
     
    #150     Mar 24, 2017