Edge edge edge , what is it ?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by TurtleLearner, Jun 11, 2018.

  1. treeman

    treeman

    It means learning to lose the right way and there are ways of losing you should avoid- specifically, the ones listed.

    Handling getting your ass beat- eg It only takes losing 4-5 times in a row to be down 5% if you’re risking 1. Anyhow, having a 5% down day and going on a perfect first date later that night. The next day you’ve forgotten yesterday’s loss. That’s learning how to get your ass beat. That is unless you don’t think losing 5% is getting your ass beat. But then again, if that’s the case you def have discipline or you’re an alligator.
     
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    #51     Jun 13, 2018
  2. treeman,
    No disrespect, but I totally disagree with the above you wrote. Your comments is true after you find a winning system.

    If its that's easy then I will now go search online or youtube for a trading system/strategy where someone says it make money. I will buy it for about $1000 and use allll the discpline and follow the rules everyday to trade it, and I better be wealthy right? Is that all I need to do? I swear I will control my emotions, follow the system rules, be discipline and all that easy stuff and then the money will come right?

    Again, if all that was required to make money was risk control, discipline, not over trading, learn to take losses, every trader would be rich. That stuff is easy and a constant in the money equation. That stuff means nothing. You can be the most discipline trader in the world, but if you trading the wrong system, you will still lose money.

    The variable in the making money equation is if your system/strategy/method has proven reliable evidence of making money consistently year-to-year or month-to-month. Why even play this game if you don't have the odds (edge) of winning in your favor.
     
    #52     Jun 13, 2018
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  3. dozu888

    dozu888

    lotta folks don't know what edge or positive expectancy is, so they get distracted by the peripheral stuff - risk control, psychology etc.

    if one has an edge - it doesn't matter much where/how/if you set a stop loss... and psychology isn't that critical either if you win most of the time.
     
    #53     Jun 13, 2018
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  4. dozu888,

    Exactly!! You are correct. I would have saved my self about $3000 total if I had learned and done research on the systems positive expectancy meant before buying different online trading systems/methods from different websites a few years ago.
     
    #54     Jun 13, 2018
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  5. deaddog

    deaddog

    The best definition I have heard;

    Edge = being able to see something in the market in time to be able to exploit it.
     
    #55     Jun 13, 2018
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  6. Handle123

    Handle123

    I think people are confused about the "edge", it is not one idea but several and you have to piece them together. The "edge" has shown me sample size 20,000 plus in the past/real time(3 months) has a statistical advantage of "net" profits.

    Others spend more time choosing dvd players though.
     
    #56     Jun 13, 2018
  7. bln

    bln

    Edge is that "thing" that generates Alpha. You know, positive statistical return and positive probability outside of pure randomness.
     
    #57     Jun 16, 2018
  8. Turveyd

    Turveyd

    Most peoples trades are pure random, especially longer TF trades.

    Small and Fast, in and out is my edge and a simplistic view of market direction.
     
    #58     Jun 16, 2018
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  9. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Maybe that explains the neighbor girl. :D
     
    #59     Jun 16, 2018
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  10. The evolution of the edge for me anyway has come to this: Its a multidimensional moving average of tendencies regarding price. If you watch a derivative enough, you will know the nuances in price action. That internal moving average you develop will tell you what its most likely next wave of ticks will be. When the price actually deviates from your internal moving average, its best to take notice and stop loss out or reverse.

    That internal moving average takes into account almost every factor that your exposed to.

    'gut feel'
     
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    #60     Jun 16, 2018
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