Earning day out of money options trading strategy

Discussion in 'Options' started by etherboy, Jan 29, 2008.


  1. how do you THIS ? I am not arguing; but maybe you can posts some stats backing this statement.
     
    #11     Jan 30, 2008
  2. Sorry, you're right I should have stats handy on backing that up if I am going to post it and I dont. My apologies I try to keep it real. I believe there have been several studies on both straddles and strangles for earnings plays and if I recall correctly they concluded that the buy side over time ( mulitple quarters ) was a loser by a long shot. I will look for the "facts" but you'll have to forgive me if I dont have em handy tongiht, fair enough?

    From a personal stand point if I had to choose between being long or short the straddle into earnings I have been known as a short gamma player most of the time and I'd rather sell it and trade aruond it if I have to.
     
    #12     Jan 30, 2008
  3. Dip , sure , it’s fair.
    I personally don’t need these stats because I keep collecting it for the past 7 years ( 30k+ and counting). If you a seller of the reporting premium (and I am too, on CERTAIN stocks at CERTAIN time) , study’s results should improve your return
     
    #13     Jan 30, 2008
  4. Well wait.

    Besides obviously the stock not moving at earnings and options not moving or w/e....

    Whats to say, in this situation, the put would go up more than the call, giving you a profit?
     
    #14     Jan 31, 2008
  5. etherboy

    etherboy

    spindr0, you are right! Amazon $65 put cost $2.43 & $85 call cost $1.85 at yesterday close. They are pumped before earning.

    No one trade at 0.75 & the other trade at 0.55!

    So the combo shrink to (0.75+0.55)/(1.85+2.43) = 1.3/4.28 = 30%

    If I trade this, I would have lost 70%!

    It's very dangerous playing the earning.
     
    #15     Jan 31, 2008
  6. Glad you avoided the loss! As in my above comments, I told you that Spindr0 is an expert (he was too humble to even accept it!). An expert in this forum is the guy who can help you make money or avoid lose money. Spin just showed it!

    If I were I would send him a nice thank you note.
     
    #16     Jan 31, 2008
  7. spindr0

    spindr0

    Why do I get the feeling that smoke is being blown up my .... ?

    :)
     
    #17     Jan 31, 2008
  8. man how is that possible? dont they all have the big "DEMO" text blasted all over the screen? sorry for ya loss if it's true.

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    I use the below strategy for earning play that's expected to be a mover. Provided this falls into the category of many small losss and 1 big win.

    1) Earning report must be very close to current option expiration date, closer the better, 1 day is perfect.

    2) Wait throughout the day until the underlying is as close to a strike price(any) as possible. Also the put/call at that strike needs to be reasonably priced.

    3) Add up the call + put of the strike, if you still think the underlying will move greater than the sum after earning. Buy both put/call.

    4) Right after earning, sell the losing side usually you can salvage a good portion of it. Then let the winning side run until you close based on your normal exit strategy. If the earning is soso and stock is stagnant, i would take a loss and sell both sides.

    Dunno the fancy name or any technical option speaks you guys use, but i have done ok doing this if you pick the right stock/timing/strike. As most losses are pretty limited if done correctly.
     
    #18     Jan 31, 2008