I find them both (actually all thre of them with McCain) equally disgusting (for different reasons and Hillary's "strong feminist role" is frankly the least of my worries). My response was to the originator of this thread who somehow believes that only Hillary is dishonest and plays games when in fact they both do.
i see some differences. obama will speak out against the war and criticize it much more than hillary. hillary voted for it and the continuation of funding it. obama didnt have a chance to vote for it.. but did vote for funding. both are socialist.... borderline communist in my opinion.. and i can't stand obama's handlers. but hillary's are just as bad. personally, i like him... but issue wise he is my polar opposite except if he is sincere about ending the war. if he has any good in him, they will blackmail it out of him when in office.
well, for hillary to know bill raped someone and for her to tell the woman to shut up or else... that is much lower than anything obama has done. in fact... its in a different league.
Well, I don't believe in speeches and campaign promises. Besides I was always a strong opponent of the war in Iraq but now that we are there getting the hell out is not nearly as simple as some politicians are promising so I prefer a more honest and realistic even if less popular position. Other than that their Healthcare plans are almost indistinguishable and both lousy, their position on illegal immigration is identical and completely unacceptable, their views on NAFTA are also similar and while I tend to agree with them on this issue none will likely do anything about it...
of course it is that simple. don't listen to the ones that tell you we can't leave or there will be chaos... those are the same ones that told us it would be a cake walk and cost 80 billion dollars. they were wrong then, they are wrong now.
Well, if you are still looking for sincerity, honesty, outspokenness and integrity in a politician, good luck to you. If that's the case you're not far from those who make their decisions based on who they'd rather have a beer with. I am more pragmatic and realistic on these issues, I am more interested in their intelligence and intellect, their views and positions, their friends and allies, enemies and opponents, donors, liabilities, loyalties... Knowing these things helps me figure out what they are and what they are not realistically going to do if elected. What they promise/lie on the campaign trail to the public to get elected does not influence me a bit.
fair enough but what makes you think that my views are based on what they tell me? I did not listen to them before and during the invasion, I am not listening to them right now. There will be chaos over there if we leave whether you like it or not. How does $200 a barrel oil sound? Could cost easily us more than 80 billion dollars. Just because they say there will be chaos and they were wrong before does not mean that there will be no chaos.
ummm.. hellooo... i am not supporting any CFR candidates. and yes... i do like those qualities mentioned above. but i also place most emphasis on positions/issues. that is why myself and so many others love Ron Paul.. he is the whole package. as i have mentioned... don't rule out Gore.. i can't stand him... but i know you liberals think he is peachy. if the dems go to a brokered convention then they will usher ole fattie out as a white knight. look for florida and michigan to end up in the courts.
80 billion was a long time ago.... that was how the neocons sold it. total is estimated at 3 trillion now. leaving won't cause $200 a barrel.. staying will, escalating it will.
From your lips to god's ears! But I lost my hope. He had his chance, he would have been a shoo-in and he ruled it out which means he really does not want to come back to politics. Besides if he ran and won the nomination he had a great chance to win the presidency fair and square, if he gets the nomination without running he'd be considered an illegitimate candidate and most likely lose (and if he wins he'll be considered an illegitimate president). He is just not going to risk his reputation, unfortunately Gore is really not interested.