Draining the swamp, pardonpalooza edition

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Cuddles, Feb 18, 2020.

  1. userque

    userque

    Of course, the cult agrees with this.

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    #61     Dec 28, 2020
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  2. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    https://www.rawstory.com/trump-pardons-2649648373/
    Trump can go to jail for his pardons — and it may make it easier to prosecute other crimes: expert

    One of the nation's premier constitutional law experts explained why Donald Trump could be criminally prosecuted for his pardons -- and how it could compound his legal liabilities.

    "If, as Alexander Pope reflected in 1711, 'to err is human, to forgive, divine,' then the US Constitution's pardon power — the prerogative of forgiveness — should be beyond reproach. Instead, a godless US president who appears incapable of forgiveness has seemingly perverted this instrument of mercy into another grave threat to the rule of law. Donald Trump's recent twisting of the pardon power risks leaving a damaging legacy: a blueprint for manipulating this vestige of royal prerogative to place presidents and their cronies above the law. But a remedy exists: investigation and potential prosecution. We must treat any obstructions of justice we uncover as the crimes they are," Laurence Tribe wrote for the Financial Times.

    Tribe has taught at Harvard Law for 50 years and tried three-dozen cases before the United States Supreme Court.

    "It is critical to distinguish between two types of corrupt pardons. There are those that are merely contemptible for their intrinsic immorality — they may give a free walk to American war criminals (the Blackwater contractors convicted of a massacre), corrupt politicians (former Illinois governor Rod Blagojevich, convicted of trying to sell a Senate seat), and relatives (Mr Trump's son-in-law's criminally convicted father Charles Kushner). There are others that pose structural dangers by placing the president and his circle above the law and thwarting investigations into wrongdoing," Tribe explained. "Mr Trump's grants of clemency to close advisers Paul Manafort and Roger Stone belong to a distinct and far more dangerous category. These pardons appear to be the latest steps taken which may in effect have hindered inquiries into crimes that Mr Trump's close associates have been convicted of committing. Put plainly, these pardons could potentially amount to criminal obstruction of justice or bribery."

    "Pardons used as a means of obstructing justice are integral parts of criminal conduct precisely because the president has the formal power to grant them. The very breadth of that power enables a president to deploy it as a tool of criminality. If pardons used to reward silence could be invalidated by the courts, they would be worthless to their recipients and useless in a scheme to interfere with a formal inquiry," Tribe explained. "The result is not to negate the pardons issued but to expose a president to prosecution for the way he deployed them. If Mr Trump abuses pardons to shield himself and key allies from justice, that could be charged as criminal obstruction of justice, an abuse of the constitutional power of clemency to accomplish an illegal end."

    The pardons could backfire for Trump.

    "The result is not to negate the pardons issued but to expose a president to prosecution for the way he deployed them. If Mr Trump abuses pardons to shield himself and key allies from justice, that could be charged as criminal obstruction of justice, an abuse of the constitutional power of clemency to accomplish an illegal end," he explained.
     
    #62     Dec 28, 2020
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  3. piezoe

    piezoe

    This is true, but it only scratches the surface of what pardons are about according to our current President, whatever his name is.
     
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    #63     Dec 28, 2020
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  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    Out of the 27 pardons, only 3 had pardon petitions. The rest just leapfrogged all those hundreds, maybe thousands who did. For example, there's a guy w/a life sentence due to a 3rd strike for stealing a pizza slice that had a petition.

    But it's the GOP, jumping in front of the line while condemning those who do is what they live for.
     
    #64     Dec 28, 2020
  5. piezoe

    piezoe

    Trump is revolting. He's seemingly the personification of every disgusting human trait, while remaining devoid of any redeeming qualities including basic competence and the ability to show up on the job. Despite this, his preacher cadence, charismatic whining and ability to shamelessly fabricate make it possible for him to sucker millions, while leaving behind damages he invariably blames on others. Unfortunately, his complete and total inability to accept responsibility is not his worst trait, but one of countless others, which together render him a consummate JACKASS. I personally find his whining, blaming and lying even harder to tolerate than his blatant criminality.
     
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    #65     Dec 28, 2020
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  6. Cuddles

    Cuddles

     
    #66     Dec 30, 2020
  7. gwb-trading

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    #69     Jan 2, 2021
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  10. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    inb4 capitol stormers get pardoned.
     
    #70     Jan 6, 2021