Dr. Fauci troubled by political divide over Covid science, says it's hampered pandemic response

Discussion in 'Politics' started by ipatent, Nov 15, 2021.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    But this didn't answer the question.

    If parents are vaccinated, and breakthrough cases are so rare, why do children need to be vaccinated to protect parents? Even if schools are "high risk environments for spreading COVID", breakthrough cases are so rare and parents are vaccinated.
     
    #11     Nov 16, 2021
  2. Bugenhagen

    Bugenhagen

    The only people who don't get how kids are prodigious virus vectors are people who don't have kids.

    I was in my earlier 20s when my daughter was born, I was at this stage bordering physically superhuman, one of the few who on finishing sniper school was thinking "is that all it is? Not too bad really".

    She went to school and a Pandora's box of sniffles and sickness fell upon my poor body. I'm not looking forward to being a grandparent and it all starting again.
     
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    #12     Nov 16, 2021
  3. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Seeing that only 70% of parents are vaccinated in the U.S. and many families have elderly and/or immunocompromised people in the household — the danger children pose in widely distributing Covid they pick up at school should be fairly obvious.
     
    #13     Nov 16, 2021
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    So shouldn't the push be to vaccinate those parents not vaccinated who are at risk, rather than push to vaccinate the children?

    And if the parents - who are easily able to get vaccinated - choose not to vaccinate themselves and are at risk, do you think they're going to be more willing to vaccinate their children??

    I'm sorry, but you don't have a logical argument here.
     
    #14     Nov 16, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    The argument is very clear from a public health perspective — you want to avoid clusters of high spread — therefore the vaccination of individuals who are in close quarters in classrooms for seven hours per day with limited ventilation should be a priority… and beneficial for reducing spread across the entire community.
     
    #15     Nov 16, 2021
  6. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    The argument isn't very clear and doesn't make any sense. And if you want to convince people to vaccinate themselves and their children, you need to do a better job at it.

    If children by and large are not at risk, and they aren't, then the vaccination needs to serve a higher purpose - to protect adults.

    But if the adults are already vaccinated, and breakthrough cases (defined as a vaccinated individual who gets sick) are rare, then vaccinating a group of the population that has no risk to protect another group that has no real risk because they are vaccinated makes no sense at all.

    Totally willing to consider it if you've got a reasonable argument.

    Either you tell me that the vaccination doesn't protect you - in which case why get vaccinated, or you tell me that the vaccination works, in which case if I'm vaccinated why am I worried about my child giving me the virus?

    Its not a good position you're in, I grant you. You have to make an illogical argument to get people to believe a position that isn't founded in rational thought.
     
    #16     Nov 16, 2021
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  7. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    What you are pushing above is standard anti-vax nonsense — which public health authorities have already addressed in depth. Not even worth my time to frame a response to this type of nonsense.
     
    #17     Nov 16, 2021
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Fauci fires back at Cruz over COVID claims about Chinese lab
    https://apnews.com/article/coronavi...ience-health-80ad119f24f6e7d2e1342429403fde70

    Dr. Anthony Fauci, the government’s top infectious diseases expert, blasted Sen. Ted Cruz for suggesting that Fauci be investigated for statements he made about COVID-19 and said the criticism by the Texas Republican was an attack on science.

    “I should be prosecuted? What happened on Jan. 6, senator?” Fauci, who is President Joe Biden’s chief medical adviser, said in an interview that aired Sunday on CBS’ “Face the Nation.” It was a reference to the violent insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by supporters of then-President Donald Trump that was stoked as Cruz helped lead GOP objections to Congress’ certifying the 2020 election results.

    “I’m just going to do my job and I’m going to be saving lives, and they’re going to be lying,” Fauci said.

    Some Republicans, including Cruz and Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., have accused Fauci of lying to Congress when he denied in May that the National Institutes of Health funded “gain of function” research — the practice of enhancing a virus in a lab to study its potential impact in the real world — at a virology lab in Wuhan, China. Cruz has urged Attorney General Merrick Garland to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate Fauci’s statements.

    Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, called the GOP criticism nonsense.

    “Anybody who’s looking at this carefully realizes that there’s a distinct anti-science flavor to this,” he said.

    Cruz and Paul say an October letter from NIH to Congress contradicts Fauci. But no clear evidence or scientific consensus exists that “gain of function” research was funded by NIH, and there is no link of U.S.-funded research to the emergence of COVID-19. NIH has repeatedly maintained that its funding did not go to such research involving boosting the infectivity and lethality of a pathogen.

    When asked in the CBS interview whether Republicans might be raising the claims to make him a scapegoat and deflect criticism of Trump, Fauci said, “of course, you have to be asleep not to figure that one out.”
     
    #18     Nov 29, 2021
  9. Snarkhund

    Snarkhund

    Omg you went there...

    Does the vaccine work OR NOT?

    Its a simple question. If the vaccines work then masks are redundant. If the vaccine does not work then the risk/reward is inadequate to consider taking it.

    Which is it?

    Personally I stopped paying any attention to Fauci after the initial "flatten-the-curve" lie. A doctor spouting off about political matters is beyond distasteful.

    Something has to give here... soon.

    In engineering school sometimes things became intolerable but I learned to just hang on and let others explode. I've got that feeling again now.
     
    #19     Nov 29, 2021
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  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    So answer us a question -- name a single vaccine that is 100% effective and has no vaccinated breakthrough cases in an environment where the virus is highly prevalent.

    You should note the vaccines for measles, mumps and many other diseases have a much higher vaccinated breakthrough rate in an environment where the virus is highly prevalent than the Covid vaccines.

    Hence the need to additional health measures (restrictions, quarantine, social distancing, contact tracing, etc.) when any of these diseases becomes highly prevalent in a community -- even if a majority of people are vaccinated.
     
    #20     Nov 29, 2021