Dr. Birx Reportedly Believes Coronavirus Death Toll Inflated By Up To 25%

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Tsing Tao, May 12, 2020.

  1. Yes. Accepting the reality of things to come is the only way to plan and manage. It ain't about feeling good, it's about getting the job done. Some "experts" like the one interviewed by Rogan several weeks ago was saying about 480K dead is where we achieve herd immunity which at this point is more likely to come sooner than a vaccine. Liking that isn't the point, accepting it is if we are to manage this without doing more harm than good with our solutions
     
    #31     May 13, 2020
  2. jem

    jem

    People are going to die in the fall because we shutdown low risk groups without proper data and useful models.

    We have simply been hiding from the virus instead of potentially getting immunities for our low risk groups and keeping the high risk isolated.

    I checked again and as far as I can tell... never in the history of the world have we told the healthy people to stay home from work like this. (country wide) We quarantine the sick not the low risk / healthy) I mean if this virus were really a massive killer of healthy low risk people fine. I would consider this shutdown. But, this is not killing healthy low risk people in a big way.

    So what the hell are we doing in hiding, if we are just going to get the virus in the fall anyway.
    What fauci and the media and the left has been advocating has zero long term benefits absent a vaccine. As long as the hospital beds are open low risk group should be out working and practicing reasonable precautions.
     
    #32     May 13, 2020
  3. This is what happens when people make decisions based on opinion polls, political fallout, and trying to feel good about themselves while perched on some phony moral high ground. They just needed to be honest about the threat and the real risk groups, and then proceed accordingly. They couldn't or wouldn't do that because of the political environment that they and their media minions have created, so here we are.
     
    #33     May 13, 2020
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  4. easymon1

    easymon1

    delete bcod.jpg
    Pardon my delay.

    Best Comeback Of The Day So Far.
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    #34     May 13, 2020
  5. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    This is the idea. It's pretty transparent.
     
    #35     May 13, 2020
  6. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Quick reminder-----During The Hong Kong Flu outbreak, Woodstock occurred.
     
    #36     May 13, 2020
  7. So as long as the number of deaths can be "managed," they are "acceptable." Meaning that they should be allowed to rise to that level rather than try to minimize the number below "manageable" levels?
     
    #37     May 13, 2020
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's monkey with the numbers to make Trump look good...

    White House Pressures CDC To Monkey With COVID Numbers
    https://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckr...se-pressures-cdc-to-monkey-with-covid-numbers

    President Trump is reportedly trying to do with the official COVID-19 death toll what he did to his inauguration crowd size: tinker with the numbers.

    According to a report in the Daily Beast, the President and some officials on the Coronavirus Task Force are pushing the Centers for Disease Control to change how it counts the number of people who have died from the virus to retroactively reduce the death toll.

    The proposed revisions would reduce the numbers to below the current toll of more than 80,000, in part by excluding deaths of people who presumably died of COVID-19 without having tested positive.

    The impetus behind that effort is Dr. Deborah Birx, according to the Daily Beast and a report in the Washington Post. Birx reportedly said at a task force meeting last week that “there is nothing from the CDC that I can trust.”

    This goes beyond being a simple statistical dispute, and instead comes as President Trump clings to the idea that keeping the numbers down — both of COVID-19 cases and deaths — could be a boon to his political fortunes in an election year, and could help make the case that it’s time for states to reopen.

    As President Trump said on Monday, despite clear evidence to the contrary, “all throughout the country, the numbers are going down.”

    Birx and Trump reportedly feel that the CDC’s decision to include deaths of people who expired after showing COVID-19 symptoms but who never tested positive unjustly inflates the death toll from the pandemic.

    That conveniently ignores arguments from others, like Dr. Tony Fauci, and the vast majority of the country’s epidemiological community, who have pointed out that if, this method were to be used, the severely constrained supply of tests in the U.S. would determine the death toll. Fauci told Congress on Tuesday that the current death count is likely below the virus’s true toll.

    Meanwhile, reports from around the country also continue to suggest that the CDC’s tally dramatically undercounts the true toll of COVID-19.


    In states and areas heavily hit by the pandemic, death rates in 2020 have been far above the norm compared to previous years.

    That’s most dramatically true in New York City. According to a CDC study released on Monday, the five boroughs have seen 24,000 more deaths this year than its usual baseline average.

    Of those 24,000 dead, only 13,000 had tested positive for COVID-19.
     
    #38     May 13, 2020
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  9. Managing in this case means doing what you can to control the rate at which people are dying while keeping in mind that your solutions cannot become more harmful than the threat you're trying to control. Acceptance is acknowledging people will die in the process of while you're trying to figure it all out. Procrastination and hand wringing looking for an always better solution ends up doing more harm than good. There is no perfect way to do this.
     
    #39     May 13, 2020
  10. Trump will soon start bragging that more people died from Chiense viruses under him than Obama
     
    #40     May 13, 2020