Down to about $90k, where would you park it if your trading skills were trash?

Discussion in 'Trading' started by zghorner, Jan 19, 2024.

  1. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    If you lived through many corrections, some of them very deep, you don't average down.

    And if you really trade, not invest, you go short. Rather than sitting around waiting or worse add to a lewzer that may or may not come back ... in time. Shocking I know. ;)
     
    #491     Feb 13, 2024
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  2. deaddog

    deaddog

    I've often wondered if you trade for a living where do you get the capital to average down?
     
    #492     Feb 13, 2024
  3. I swear shorts have got to be some of the dumbest traders out there. They talk the most even though they don't make any f****** money. Why short it and take unlimited risk? SPY could gap up and NEVER return to your price ..it ALWAYS returns to aths. It's the long bias effect.
     
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    #493     Feb 13, 2024
  4. Well I was giving a worst case scenario buying at aths lol. I am typically a bottom dweller so usually do not need a bunch of averaging down before the bottom is in.
     
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    #494     Feb 13, 2024
  5. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    And long only so-called traders are all geniuses ............ until. Like today for instance - ES is down -1.75% Traders trade price movement. Bus riders wait for the bus going uphill.

    "Unlimited risk" lol

    First of all, risk is of an event happening, not capital deployed.

    Second, name me one symbol that has ever gone to infinity.

    Third, stops handle long drops and short pops.

    Fourth, like I said previously and many others far smarter than me, time is money. Sticking in a trade investment when price is going the other way is a waste of time, when position can be closed and new investment can be made in something else that is heading the right way.
     
    #495     Feb 13, 2024
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  6. Stops? How would your stop loss help you on a day like today if you're long? Or a gap up AH on your short? Stops are a wot.

    Exactly, time is money and in my scenario you get a 20% ROI IN THE WORST CASE SCENARIO for just averaging down and waiting. Why would I want to close that to go chasing profits somewhere else?
     
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    #496     Feb 13, 2024
  7. deaddog

    deaddog

    Stops prevent you from taking large losses. Or from tying up your capital for years as you wait for the price to recover.
     
    #497     Feb 13, 2024
  8. Ahem...20% ROI. I would rather take a huge paper loss and average down than take numerous small realized losses every time the candle dips and stops me out before a big move up lol. Trading or investing I am not using stops...I have run the numbers and they are deleterious to profits. Stops do nothing more than create liquidity for large orders...that is their true purpose being peddled to retail as a necessary evil to prevent huge losses lol. Bottom line they do nothing AH anyway when everything happens so a moot point. That said, of course I am not going all in with a single company...always etfs or I'd scale down bigly.
     
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    #498     Feb 13, 2024
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  9. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Seriously?

    :D
     
    #499     Feb 13, 2024
  10. deaddog

    deaddog

    Nice, what has been your maximium drawdown?
    I have had similar returns with less than 10% drawdown and been in cash for most of the major market drops.(2008 & 2020)
    I fund my lifestyle with my trading so can't really afford to sit and wait for stocks to recover. I don't want to have to sell near the bottom.
    I'm quick to take small losses and I don't hold losers in my portfolio.
    I'm not well diversified. To my way of thinking that just leads to average returns.
    You have to do what works for you.
     
    #500     Feb 13, 2024