This is your post you stupid ingorant fuck mother fucker......please Elaborate...since my english is not good.. I will make sure to bring your handle to my next meeting with El Babalocha......peace
bravo for pointing out hypocrisy, wherever it appears and in whatever form. http://elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=18667#post18667
Oh that's really good. You are very articulate, and you don't have one shred of hypocrisy, inconsistency, or dishonesty. I admire you. Incidentally, it's "mother******" not two words. However, Am I a mothe******? Let's take the test. Tu madre? No. Probablemente una cocina gorda. Yo prefiero no gastar el $5 por una mujer barrata. Pero mi perro quiere. Na, I ain't no "mother ******"
Nah....today is a beautiful day amigo..I let you get under my skin one second to long....you have yourself a great day.... Baron your site will only be as good as the pigs you let moderate......peace
For the others who tune in, not for you because you are....despacio. Slow in the head. Civilians have been targeted for millenia in wartime. The allies in WW2 bombed Germans cities into the ground. Literally. 1,000,000 civilian casualties. The B29 pilots were far from cowards. Israel and Palestine have been at war for 55 years. You have a complete failure to grasp what is really happening there. But its not your fault ElCubano. Vive los imbeciles!
Odai, Qusai Deaths Go Against U.S. Ban Wednesday July 23, 2003 6:49 PM By GEORGE GEDDA Associated Press Writer WASHINGTON (AP) - In theory, pursuing with intent to kill violates a long-standing policy banning political assassination. It was the misfortune of Saddam Hussein's sons, Odai and Qusai, that the Bush administration has not bothered to enforce the prohibition. The brothers were killed during a six-hour raid Tuesday at a palatial villa in the northern Iraqi city of Mosul by U.S. forces acting on a tip from an informant. They ranked just below their father in the deposed regime. Odai, in particular, had a reputation for brutality. Officials said people inside the villa opened fire first - but left little doubt what the U.S. troops hoped to accomplish. ``We remain focused on finding, fixing, killing or capturing all members of the high-value target list,'' Lt. Gen. Ricardo Sanchez, commander of coalition troops in Iraq, announcing the deaths of Odai and Qusai. The ban has been overlooked so often in recent years that some wonder why the administration doesn't simply declare the measure null and void. Earlier this week, the U.S. administrator for Iraq, L. Paul Bremer, stated in unusually candid terms the administration's disregard for the assassination ban. Appearing on NBC TV's ``Meet the Press,'' Bremer said U.S. officials presumed that Saddam was still alive and that American forces were trying to kill him. ``The sooner we can either kill him or capture him, the better,'' Bremer said. Often in the past, officials resorted to winks and nods or other circumlocutions when asked about U.S. actions that gave the appearance of homicidal intent. Consider President Reagan's response when he was asked whether the bombing of Moammar Gadhafi's residence in 1986 constituted an effort to kill the Libyan leader. ``I don't think any of us would have shed tears if that had happened,'' Reagan said. Over the past five years, U.S.-sponsored assassination attempts have been on the increase. Targets have included Osama bin Laden, former Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic among others. Former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said before the start of the Iraq war that the assassination ban would not apply once hostilities broke out. ``People who are in charge of fighting the war to kill United States troops cannot assume that they will be safe,'' Fleischer said, making clear that Saddam would not be exempt. Bremer says the rationale for going after Saddam now even though he is no longer in power is that he remains a rallying point for supporters. The ban on assassinations, spelled out in an executive order signed by President Ford in 1976 and reinforced by Presidents Carter and Reagan, made no distinction between wartime and peacetime. There are no loop holes; no matter how awful the leader, he could not be a U.S. target either directly or by a hired hand. The advantages of using assassination as a political tool seemed less obvious a generation ago than they are today. Ford's executive order was in response to the general revulsion over disclosures by a Senate committee about a series of overseas U.S. assassination attempts - some successful, some not - over many years. The committee found eight attempts on the life of Cuban President Fidel Castro. Other targets included Rafael Trujillo of the Dominican Republic and Patrice Lumumba of the Congo, both in 1961; and Ngo Dinh Diem of South Vietnam in 1963. Lumumba and Diem were both assassinated, although the degree of U.S. involvement has never been clear. One rationale for the ban was that an attempt on the life of a foreign leader could produce retaliation - a concern borne out in U.S.-Libyan tit-for-tat attacks during the late 1980's. Libyan agents killed two U.S. soldiers at a German disco in early April 1986. Days later, Reagan authorized the bombing of Libya; Gadhafi was spared but his 15-month old daughter was killed. Libyan agents were behind the bombing of Pan Am flight 103 in 1988, killing 270, most of them Americans. Support for the assassination ban appears to have eroded considerably after Sept. 11, 2001. The events of that day demonstrated that a small but determined group, no matter how far away, could pose a greater threat to ordinary Americans than the German Luftwaffe could in 1940. Abraham Sofaer, a former State Department legal adviser, makes the case for pre-emption against terrorists: ``If a leader ... is responsible for killing Americans, and is planning to kill more Americans ... it would be perfectly proper to kill him rather than to wait until more Americans were killed.'' The Bush administration seems to agree, but the old assassination taboo lives on, at least on paper. ``There's an executive order that prohibits the assassination of foreign leaders, and that remains in place,'' a White House spokesman said just as the Iraq hostilities were about to begin. ---- EDITOR'S NOTE: George Gedda has covered foreign affairs for The Associated Press since 1968.
It seems to me Elcubano you are completely in the wrong here. You insulted Dgabriel by naming Timothy McVeigh as his hero while he was simply framing the Palestinian suicide bomber in their own context. Nowhere in his post did he praise the suicide bomber or support bombing US government installations and it was outrageous of you to suggest he did. In fact, he did not even mention McVeigh. This is an example of trying to tar with the subversive brush someone who you disagree with. Dgabriel has been a great moderator and I suggest you examine your own ridiculous behavior.
They are soldiers in an unconventional war. There's no other way to view them. Traditional armies take young people, train them to kill, and most importantly, train them to die for their country. A soldier in the US army is pretty much worthless if he is unwilling to lay down his life for his fellow soldiers and countrymen. I know. I fought in the US Army in Desert Storm. This is the key point of indoctrination of a combatant and that is what has happened to the Palestinian culture. They have indoctrinated their youth into a combatant mentality, creating a value system that encourages self sacrifice, even though they have not raised an army with colors. It does not matter if we agree with it or are repulsed by it. Dgabriel is right. It is what it is and recognizing the realities of the Palestinian method of conflict does not make Dgabriel or anyone an abettor to the likes of Tim McVeigh. Get real.
I was always only refering to them being called HERO's...I dont care what part of the World you are from or what has been brainwashed into your head as a youth ( i dont care if it is your belief it is the correct thing you are doing )....In my eyes they are not hero's...i understand why they do it, it may be a great tactical procedure, or the only way they know how can to wage a war...but killing innocent people sitting having dinner at a restaurant with their families is not Herioc...they may think it is , but it is not...thats all i am saying.. I dont know if u read spanish, but if you do you would know why I ripped into dfag....