Double Butterfly spread

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by cdcaveman, Aug 18, 2015.

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    #101     Mar 16, 2016
  2. this account isn't funded but that doesn't matter... i don't know if its just IB or what.. but this is crazy
     
    #102     Mar 16, 2016
  3. i960

    i960

    Try a dec/jun/dec one and see what it shows. It could be possible this is an IB "issue" which wouldn't surprise me in the least.
     
    #103     Mar 16, 2016
  4. I've noticed that on some other spreads before, it is the initial margin that they make insane, but the maintenance will be at a normal level. No clue why they do that.
     
    #104     Mar 16, 2016
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  5. IB is the devil! haha there margin always has a squeezing intent to it.. flush you out to their favor.. screams of a large bucket shop
     
    #105     Mar 16, 2016
  6. bone

    bone

    I am ass over alligators busy at the moment, but taking a quick look at the CME maintenance margins for CL intramarkets (should be close to Brent) tells me that something is screwy - especially for a Butterfly with only one month duration between legs.

    I mean, even with only an 80% margin credit ( should almost certainly be more) that's like about $2,400 for late 2017 expiry in terms of initial margin.

    http://www.cmegroup.com/trading/ene...CL&sector=CRUDE+OIL&exchange=NYM&pageNumber=2
     
    #106     Mar 16, 2016
  7. I completely agree... and i thought it was messed up.. this is why i brought the thing up
     
    #107     Mar 16, 2016
  8. i960

    i960

    There's definitely something screwy going on with far dated spreads. TWS thinks initial margin on a may18/jun18/jul18 butterfly is like 14k whereas something like jan17/feb17/mar17 is 1.1k. I wouldn't be surprised if this has something dumb to do with the underlying contracts not having a bid/ask visible to TWS (rather than the ETS bid/ask which it would have); either way it shouldn't be using either.
     
    #108     Mar 16, 2016
  9. i960

    i960

    Came across this the other day:

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    http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.196.2766&rep=rep1&type=pdf


    It's fairly academic but still interesting given how little of this stuff is actually out there. However, past 1:3:3:1 my brain starts to explode.

    He does find one thing many of us have found:

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    In other words: don't even mess with the front.
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2016
    #109     Apr 2, 2016
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  10. All this information in your post are things I've picked up over time separately... And through some pain... Pascals binomial expansion is exactly the way risk is hedged with futures...
     
    #110     Apr 2, 2016