Double Butterfly spread

Discussion in 'Financial Futures' started by cdcaveman, Aug 18, 2015.

  1. Give us an example defining back month
     
    #91     Mar 14, 2016
  2. Wingz

    Wingz

    In my head, back months are usually 8-10 months away from the front month in Brent. Although I'm sure others have a different definition. The trading personality of the spreads changes the further you move down the curve (in time).
     
    #92     Mar 14, 2016
  3. bone

    bone

    Maybe something along the lines of a Dec17-Mar18-Jun18 Fly or a Sep18-Oct18-Nov18-Dec18 Condor are good examples of spread combinations a bit farther out in the curve. "back months" if you will. You can really get BACK in the the Eurodollars !
     
    #93     Mar 15, 2016
  4. bone

    bone

    BTW, I have clients making very good livings trading "further back" in the energy curve than I've suggested above. Just 'sayin. It's certainly the road less traveled and the OI is almost all Commercial.
     
    #94     Mar 15, 2016
  5. Past a certain threshold margin goes through the roof...
     
    #95     Mar 15, 2016
  6. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    Really? Can you give examples.
     
    #96     Mar 15, 2016
  7. Ya... I'll check when I get home...back when I put the xzf17 fly on when I started the thread anything past that was exponentially more... I'll check tonight...
     
    #97     Mar 15, 2016
  8. bone

    bone

    That's not true. All things being equal ( duration between intracommodity legs) STIRS are the only intracommodity spread that I am aware of where the months farther out on the curve margin more than the prompt months.

    The exchange has an algorithm it's used for years to determine fair settlement value for less liquid expiries.
     
    #98     Mar 15, 2016
  9. dec17/nov17/jan19 at IB has an intial of 5469 in margin req.. just checked...
     
    #99     Mar 16, 2016
  10. Maverick74

    Maverick74

    That has to be a bad number. That spread doesn't even move. How can the margin be that high? Is it because you have jan 19 vs jan 18?
     
    #100     Mar 16, 2016