Uhhhh.. let's see. The AMERICAN PEOPLE put an end to the war in Vietnam by pressuring our government. That is how things work here. Korea? Never ended, and was a UN action. Iraqi people were never our enemy. Just their one mad man leader. And the Cubans? Ask ElCubano about that one. Not me. But from what I can see, it is the expatriot Cubans that most vehemently oppose Castro. How we got involved in a civil war is pretty much beyond me. But when they permitted (asked for) Soviet nuclear weapons to be placed on their soil and aimed at the US, then yeah, there was a reason to place an embargo on them. And a blockade at the time. Imagine how that would have played out if Kennedy was more like Saddam. Or Arafat. (or even Bush). Maybe Thunderbolt is right. Maybe there is a god. Because somehow we survived that crisis. I was young, but old enough to remember. We all expected to die. Peace, rs7
israeli soldiers just saying no: We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it. We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides. We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country. We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDFâs human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society. We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end. We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements. We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people. We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israelâs defense. The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose â and we shall take no part in them. http://www.seruv.org.il/defaultEng.asp
This is just Anti American propaganda. Sh!t me. I thought one cut & paster was enough. It's out of control. You have too much hate instilled in you. You are going nowhere. You lose, you always will.
You are right....very off track. Seems to happen all the time in "chit chat" ...I made a joke of something FPC said about a porn movie with Anna Nicole Whatever, and it evolved into a few hundred pages of Tbolt and religion. Hate sucks. War sucks. Solutions? Easy....tolerance. How do we achieve tolerance? Only two ways I can think of. Education and discussion. So here we have discussion. Also, this was a pretty obvious tangent for this thread to take the moment TF got into it. He is an Arab living in France. There was no more hope of this NOT coming here than there was of a point made by FPC about "evolution" going where it did once Thunderbolt got involved. Some things are just too predictable. Besides, with the Dow down slightly and the Nasdaq up slightly, this is more productive than trading now. At least cheaper Hey, Op777, there should be a visual aid for the ills of this thread. I KNOW you will think of something As consistent as Traderfut and Thunderbolt are, you are equally as reliable (but in a better way....you provide humor and perspective...so get on it!) Peace, rs7
Great posts... Rs7, I have nothing against jews and Israelis. I am just for justice and peace. Saying that Arafat that Arafat this is like forgetting the most important part of the equation. Who is occupying palestine who is ruling all the palestinian economy, who is arming the colon. If one is honest he will quickly understand that peace is certainly not in the hands of palestinians but in the hands of the leading power Israel. It has everything. Palestine does not exist it is a fictious state. Optional, yes you are right. The French wel the same as the americans they don't all suck. some are good some are real assholes. generalising once again is dangerous. You cannot say hey come the french sucks and there are plenty arabs in France. Even during the NAzi regim many german were killed beacuse they opposed the regim. So it is for me key to stop generalising. and That is why I said the USA has to look back it's history is far from being perfect and accusing others is easy the most difficult is to criticize oneself.
Come one man this is not a propaganda. This has been written by Israelis soldiers themselves. Yes even Israelis do not accpet what is done in tehir name and they have the courage to say it... By the way Are you Jew. Because for me Israel is not the US. so I don't understand how you could consider this as an anti american propaganda since it was written by ISraelis???
is this anti-American propaganda ? http://free.freespeech.org/americanstateterrorism/AboutThisSite.html
Propaganda? Gee this seems pretty even keeled and objective to me To Quote from the site: I was born and raised in America and Iâve lived in this goddamned soulless nation of venal whores all my life.